I have had occasion to guard prisoners. One of my first jobs when I went to Korea was to guard three murderers. They were awaiting a General Court Martial and several of us took turns guarding them while they dug a ditch. Believe me, I watched them very carefully, and had they come after me, feelings wouldn't have entered into it. I would hae shot them. I don't think you and Paul can quite envision that situation and I am clear why. I have been a rifle instructor and know quite a bit about self-defense, I can assure you that the old lady did exactly right and her thinking was exactly right. There is absolutely no reason for the thieves to approach that old lady and she knew it. I don't understand why you and Paul don't. Lawrence ------------Original Message------------ From: Phil Enns <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Mon, Apr-23-2007 2:37 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mark Steyn on Gun Control Paul Stone wrote: "the problem is not that a lot of people have guns, it's that a lot of people think they NEED guns, WANT to have guns and want to USE guns against people." Picking up on Paul's point, what I find particularly disturbing is the increased rationalization for using guns on the basis of what people feel. That is, in many parts of the US, people have the right to use a gun if they feel threatened, regardless of whether this feeling is justified. So we have the remarkable "If they'd even dared come close to me, they'd be 6 feet under by now" comment lauded by Lawrence. At no point is there a question of whether the approach of the intruders was reasonable grounds for believing that she was in mortal danger, only that she felt the intruders intended mortal harm and so had the right to use deadly force. If we are going to be logical about these matters, then we have to put feelings in perspective. Feelings are not justifications for action and so if we are concerned about the rule of law, then we cannot decide the matter of the justified use of deadly force on the grounds of whether people feel threatened. On the other hand, if we are going to abandon the rule of law whenever the feeling comes over us, then there is more than a bit of irony in insisting that this is justified by a right granted by law. Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html