Can anyone help me with this? I swear I read, somewhere in the Meditations, Aurelius speaking of suicide as a Stoic option and comparing it to an "exit from a smoky hut", or words to that effect. I read it years ago, and can't find it now. At 10.8 I've got him saying stuff along those lines, but he's not using that metaphor. Any lit ideas? Graeme Wend-Walker Macquarie University, Sydney ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html