How long ago were you there, Andreas? Things have changed. How are the Muslims going to take over? That information is pretty well known. I quoted from Bawer to this effect. Here it is again from an article by Dr. Sookhdeo: http://whataretheysaying.powerblogs.com/posts/1142024149.shtml Perhaps especially, "For the past two weeks, Patrick Sookhdeo has been canvassing the opinions of Muslim clerics in Britain on the row over the cartoons featuring images of Mohammed that were first published in Denmark and then reprinted in several other European countries. "They think they have won the debate," he says with a sigh. "They believe that the British Government has capitulated to them, because it feared the consequences if it did not. "The cartoons, you see, have not been published in this country, and the Government has been very critical of those countries in which they were published. To many of the Islamic clerics, that's a clear victory. "It's confirmation of what they believe to be a familiar pattern: if spokesmen for British Muslims threaten what they call 'adverse consequences' - violence to the rest of us - then the British Government will cave in. I think it is a very dangerous precedent." Dr Sookhdeo adds that he believes that "in a decade, you will see parts of English cities which are controlled by Muslim clerics and which follow, not the common law, but aspects of Muslim sharia law. "It is already starting to happen - and unless the Government changes the way it treats the so-called leaders of the Islamic community, it will continue." And again, ". . . concentrate Muslim presence in a particular area until you are a majority in that area, so that the institutions of the local community come to reflect Islamic structures. The education system will be Islamic, the shops will serve only halal food, there will be no advertisements showing naked or semi-naked women, and so on." "That plan, says Dr Sookhdeo, is being followed in Britain. "That is why you are seeing areas which are now almost totally Muslim. The next step will be pushing the Government to recognise sharia law for Muslim communities - which will be backed up by the claim that it is "racist" or "Islamophobic" or "violating the rights of Muslims" to deny them sharia law. "There's already a Sharia Law Council for the UK. The Government has already started making concessions: it has changed the law so that there are sharia-compliant mortgages and sharia pensions. "Some Muslims are now pressing to be allowed four wives: they say it is part of their religion. They claim that not being allowed four wives is a denial of their religious liberty. There are Muslim men in Britain who marry and divorce three women, then marry a fourth time - and stay married, in sharia law, to all four. "The more fundamentalist clerics think that it is only a matter of time before they will persuade the Government to concede on the issue of sharia law. Given the Government's record of capitulating, you can see why they believe that." Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 9:42 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Londonistan > You should read how the Muslims getting away with almost anything they like > and the judges and cops are letting them so as not to seem racist. Lawrence, you forget that I lived some 15 years in Europe. The Arabs are now getting away with stuff? Ha! In Germany, the Arabs did the damned craziest things. I was the head of one of the dormitories at the university. We had many Arabs in the university. Almost every week I had to get one of them out of some sort of ridiculous trouble. They got in trouble with everyone: their profesors, the police, judges, streetcar ticket punchers, and so on. Mostly it was because they didn't understand the rules and the system. They came out of East Turkey, the mountains of Afghanistan, and the Palestinian refugee camps, where there weren't even enough shoes to go around. Often, they couldn't even read German, so how could they read letters inviting them to a court for a hearing? Four or five of these letters unopened, and the sixth letter would be a doozy. The Germans all walked around laughing, manoman, der scheisse kerl! I'd bicycle down to the courthouse, have a talk with the judge, and it'd all be cleared up. It wasn't because nobody wanted to appear racist. That never came up. Everyone understood that the Arabs didn't understand what to do. The educated Arabs, who were doctors or professors at universities and so on, they had no problems. They assimilated perfectly well into Germany. They spoke excellent German and got along fine. Maybe you think it's these illiterate Arabs who are going to take over Europe. That'd be pretty funny. yrs, andreas www.andreas.com