[lit-ideas] Re: Legal Reasoning [referential suffocation]
- From: Mike Geary <gearyservice@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 14:33:22 -0600
Walter: "Would you want your child to be a student of a teacher in a public
school who was innocent of such principles and their attendant virtues?"
I was taught by a few nuns who seemed generally "innocent" of such
principles and attendant virtues as this topic addresses. Rather than
turning me into a vicious person it informed me of the need for such
virtues. Ergo, bring on the vicious nuns! Inform the world of the need
for gentleness and kindness by beating the shit out of those who can't
defend themselves -- you know, the old "playing fields of Eton" theory of
socialization.
J. Michael Geary
growing old and wearing my trousers rolled,
no women come and go though,
just a cold coming
I have of it.
Eliot?! Eliot?! You still quote Eliot?? My god, why not Robert Service
then?
That was unkind and not at all gentle.
You're damn right it's not -- it's mean. Mean as hell. Yes, bless those
mean-ass nuns! Let mad Ireland hurt the world into poetry.
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Walter C. Okshevsky <wokshevs@xxxxxx>wrote:
> Interesting. Just in relation to one point:
>
> O.K. expresses (Socratic) uncertainty about what "our" virtues or concept
> of
> virtue may be. Is it really the case that "our" understanding of the
> virtues is
> so opaque? We, "heirs of Socrates," members and supporters of a Republic of
> Ends, surely are reasonably clear on the formal and impartial/neutral
> principles grounding moral and political autonomy, and thus, on the virtues
> necessary for the promotion of that disposition.
>
> Would you want your child to be a student of a teacher in a public school
> who
> was innocent of such principles and their attendant virtues?
>
> Walter O.
> MUN
>
>
> Quoting Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Well, perhaps they thought that justice was a more important virtue ?
> > Kindness would seem more like superficially 'being nice' than actually
> > treating others with justice. On the other hand, I am not sure that I
> would
> > place temperance among cardinal virtues - it is a virtue, to be sure,
> but I
> > wouldn't view it as being among the most important ones. Anyhow, it
> seems
> > reasonable to assume that the classical Greek concept of virtue was
> somewhat
> > different from ours (whatever ours might be) ?
> > A lot of the Lit/Ideas posts land in my spam folder these days, so I
> > apologize if I have missed something so far, or if I miss something from
> now
> > on.
> >
> > O.K.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:12 PM, Walter C. Okshevsky <
> wokshevs@xxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Apologies. Let me try my questions one more time, this time with a more
> > liberal
> > dose of cogency: Why did the Greeks not include kindness in their set of
> > cardinal virtues? Is kindness not equally a virtue as the other 4?
> >
> > Grateful to people for tempering their desire to offer snide commentary
> on
> > some
> > eggnoggish writing, Walter
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Walter C. Okshevsky" <wokshevs@xxxxxx>:
> >
> > > Kindness. Surely the virtue most responsible for our 2 million year
> history
> > > on
> > > this planet.
> > >
> > > Question: Why did the Greeks not include this virtue in their 4
> cardinal
> > > virtues? Note that not all of those virtues are deemed to be moral
> virtues.
> > > Is
> > > kindness not a moral virtue of equal importance?
> > >
> > > Walter O
> > > MUN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>:
> > >
> > > > JL writes, in part
> > > >
> > > > Wikipedia has a rather extensive bibliography, I find, on
> 'casuistic'.
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, it does.
> > > >
> > > > I think your readers would find it a great kindness were you to list
> only
> > > > books and articles that you yourself have read and found useful or
> that
> > > > other knowledgeable people have recommended. An unsorted list like
> the
> > one
> > > > provided offers no more than the bluff of erudition.
> > > >
> > > > Robert Paul
> > > >
> > >
> >
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