Thanks to D. McEvoy for bringing the Pilcher v Rawlins case, and his description and improvement on a tutor's statement of the case: In a message dated 12/10/2013 7:28:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: the Pilcher result is practically inevitable and is in the interests of justice. As shown, it is specious and spurious to claim:- (a) that Pilcher is part of “the only (possible) unjust position” because it is ‘inconsistent’ that the BFP keeps the house in Pilcher when they would not if they bought from a non-owning fraudster; (b) that the result in Pilcher “comes from constitutional law” because this renders the court powerless to intervene. Both bogus claims reflect an impoverished, misguided ‘academic’ approach (as if in Pilcher the court looked at some “constitutional law” and concluded ‘Dearie me, we are powerless here’, or as if courts should work to some specious academic sense of ‘consistency’, which T bases myopically on the BFP’s viewpoint). This kind of academic approach is blind to the significant practicalities that actually most govern legal decision-making, which in Pilcher are encapsulated by the practical ‘policy’ issues at (2). ---- I would like to address a more general topic. The 'must'. In "Aspects of Reason and Reasoning", that Grice delivered first in Stanford (as the Kant lectures) and then in Oxford (as the Locke lectures), he is trying to bridge a gap between the theoretical 'must' and what he calls the 'practical' (and where I would fit the 'legal') "must". He is thinking of reasoning or arguing. In a previous recent post I referred to Toulmin as having proposed a different approach to arguing (simpliciter) as based on legal (or should we say judge's) reasoning, rather than what he regarded as a restricted axiomatic mathematical type of reasoning that best applies to the a-priori. In discussions of the Pilcher v. Rawlins then, we could concentrate on the judge's decision as being the consequence (out of a set of premises) yielding a 'must': "Bona Fide Purchaser MUST win". The technicalities of this must should not be too serious. In general, modal logicians use two operators: a square [] to represent Necessarily and a diamond <> to represent Possibly A further complication may result in the grammatical fitting of the symbol and its vernacular expression: cfr. Bona Fide Purchaser MUST win [] Wp where 'W' is the predicate for 'win', and 'p' stands for the 'subject' -- bona fide purchaser. The modality ("must"), then, applies to the 'proposition' -- the bona-fide purchaser wins, necessarily. I would argue that cases like the one discussed by McEvoy may shed light (or not) on the distinctions often (but not THAT often) made between 'moral' reasoning and 'legal' reasoning. Or not! Cheers, Speranza ps. I note that there does not seem to be a Wikipedia entry for 'legal reasoning'. However, it is listed as a category. It advises to "See also categories: Law and morality, Authority, and Legal concepts". Wikipedia goes on to say that "the following 34 pages are in this category [of "LEGAL REASONING"], out of 34 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more)." I listed them below to check, e.g., which one applies to Pilcher v Rawlins and perhaps discuss the argument structure more closely. Or not. Categories: Philosophy of law -- Reasoning A 1 Adverse inference 2 Arbitrariness 3 Argument in the alternative 4 Argumentation theory 5 Argumentum a contrario C 6 Casuistry 7 Causation (law) 8 Commanding precedent 9 Contra principia negantem non est disputandum 10 Contradictio in adjecto D 11 Deliberation 12 Discourse ethics 13 Distinguishing E 14 Egalitarian dialogue 15 Eo ipso I 16 Ipse dixit 17 Ipso facto 18 Ipso jure J 19 Judicial interpretation K 20 Kuching Declaration L 21 Legalism (Western philosophy) M 22 Moral certainty 23 Mutatis mutandis P 24 Precedent 25 Prima facie 26 Probable cause 27 Proof (truth) R 28 Reasonable doubt 29 Reasonable person 30 Right of reply S 31 Socratic questioning 32 Statutory interpretation 33 Straight face test 34 Substantial truth ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html