Erin Holder wrote: "... wouldn't it be the case that a will that is determined by an object (end) and is therefore not a moral will is also NOT FREE? And if a will that is not moral is also not free, then how can any one be expected to take responsibility for acts that are not moral?" "Man himself must make or have made himself into whatever, in a moral sense, whether good or evil, he is or is to become. Either condition must be an effect of his free choice; for otherwise he could not be held responsible for it and could therefore be morally neither good nor evil. When it is said, Man is created good, this can mean nothing more than: He is created for good and the original predisposition in man is good; not that, thereby, he is already actually good, but rather that he brings it about that he becomes good or evil, according to whether he adopts or does not adopt into his maxim the incentives which this predisposition carries with it ([an act] which must be left wholly to his own free choice)." (Kant, _Religion Within the Limits of Reason Alone_, Bk I, General Observation) Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html