Eric Yost wrote: "I've experienced this in person, working on my father's orchard in PA Amish country, and being reprimanded by locals for having my shirt off in summer." How is this body shame? Surely the argument for body shame can't be made by pointing to people who object to men working with their shirts off. And how is it relevant to being Amish, as opposed to, for example, being from Pennsylvania? I mean, the Amish, and Muslims for that matter, seem to be a terribly convenient example just because they are so different. This difference also seems to me to be a good reason for why one ought to be skeptical of such examples. Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html