In a message dated 5/4/2009 5:27:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: JLS's claim sounded way too fishy. ---- Yes, but the question is: what was He (Witters) thinking? from the OED: pike >German regional (Low German) Peik pointed implement. English 'poker' -- German 'poker'. Plural: 'poker'. 1534 in W. H. Turner Select. Rec. Oxf. (1880) 126 He..came downe with a poker in his hande. 1715 J. ADDISON Spectator No. 608 ¶13 By her good Will she never would suffer the Poker out of her Hand. From "Philosophy Pathways" "The poky little room in which they took place was cold this particular winter's night and needed a fire to brighten the occasion. Thus it was that Wittgenstein came to be brandishing the poker, whereupon Popper made his now famous response to Chairman Russell's request for an example of moral rule under the heading of ethics: "Not to threaten visiting lecturers with pokers"". "It is then suggested, though accounts of the incident vary according to the viewpoint of the perceiver, that an angry Wittgenstein who up to this moment had brandished the offending weapon (nobody seems to remember in which hand) threw it to the ground and charged out of the room, slamming the door loudly behind him." "Russell, who was up on the speaker's platform smoking his pipe, had chided the enfant terrible for his behaviour saying: "The trouble with you, Wittgenstein, is that you always get things wrong". The man who walked out so unceremoniously might have responded to his mentor, "I know that queer things happen in this world. It's one of the few things I've really learned in my life."" "Room H3 in King's College was thus the scene of high drama." "Wittgenstein's Poker (Faber ISDN 057120547X) is described on its dust jacket as "The story of a ten-minute argument between two great philosophers"". "A list of those present reads like a who's who in philosophy." "Russell chaired the meeting and ended up as referee for the final fight." "Peter Munz was there - a New Zealander whom Popper had taught in his home country - later describing this incident as: "a watershed in twentieth century philosophy." "Stephen Toulmin who was also present later co-wrote Wittgenstein's Vienna which chronicles the city's fin de siecle gaiety and corrosive melancholy." "The man who was a product of these times and waved a poker in the air on the night the titans met was a quirky individual whose homosexual leanings came to the fore in his undergraduate years." "Never one to take a back seat in any situation, Wittgenstein had a series of close relationships with some of his students whom he liked to dominate and even persuade to leave academia and take up jobs in factories." "Colin Wilson suggests in The Misfits - a work on sexuality and outsiders - that Wittgenstein picked up rough young men in Volksprater Park, the site of the famous Ferris wheel featured in The Third Man, an ideal setting for that classic Graham Greene film." "Wittgenstein's Poker is a fascinating text to burrow into and find much buried treasure." "The man holding the poker is called "the ultimate modernist outsider". "In the end the book is a fascinating study of how different lives run on parallel tracks and then finally intersect. It is rather like a detective story, leading up to the raised poker, when the murderer might have been exposed." "But philosophers are far more gentlemanly than this." "We have accusations about a possible Third Man connection against Wittgenstein in a book by Kimberley Cornish who was a former PhD scholar at Auckland University. His way-out theory suggests that the KGB's man at Cambridge who persuaded Philby, Blunt, Burgess and McLean all to spy for the Russians was Wittgenstein." "Both men were Jews, one rich, the other poor." "Both men became teachers in academia and tended to put their students on their mettle." "The infamous poker from Room H3 has never been traced. Its story has now been finally told." JLS **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html