We are considering if Popper played the violin. In a message dated 7/6/2011 2:59:17 P.M., donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: "Take a proposition p such as "All swans are white", or any such proposition." such as "All swans are white". (The use 'or any such proposition' seems confusing). Oddly, this proposition was a favourite with J. L. Austin, who having never been to Australia, disbelieved the existence of other-than-white swans (The fact that the Aboriginal tribes of Australia were not aware of Linnaeus classification did not help). McEvoy: "If we speak it, --- Speranza said that all swans are white. "'it' is sounds, and it must be therefore physical (some say). If we write it, it is encoded physically as script, and it must be therefore physical (some say). But all this shows is that the content of p may be physically embodied either as speech or writing." Strictly, Austin said that all swans are white. He also said, famously, that France is hexagonal. ---- By uttering, "All swans are white", Austin intended an audience (or addressee -- say, Grice) to believe that he (i.e. Austin) believed that all swans are physical. Here, the verbal behaviour is evidence of a mental state by Austin. But we do not be mentalists, or dualists. There is no 'matter of fact', other than Austin's displaying his utterance, "All swans are white" which constitutes Austin's belief in that particular range of ornithological chromatism. ---- Note that if, alla Grice, we should challenge Austin, we should challenge, ultimately, his beliefs, not his utterances. "What d'you mean, 'white': beak is red enough." ---- McEvoy: "it does not show that the content is itself merely a physical object or property. And it is easy to indicate how and why it is not: if we speak softly or loudly or use Italian rather than English, if we write in a smaller or larger font, we may necessarily alter the physical embodiment of p without changing its _content_ one iota." The phrase, to change one iota, is particularly inapt, I think, in this context, when we are considering the _letters_. Oddly, "Italians", for example, are said to derive from an Etruscan name, for 'Veal'. where the 'v' was the 'digamma'. vitalians was the original name. The 'v' was dropped. Mutatis mutandis, the dropping of a iota can make the Griceian world of difference. --- "In a similar vein [metaphorically], p will stand in a logical relation of contradiction to non-p, but this is not a physical relation but a logical relation between mutually incompatible _content_ (clearly, both p and non-p can be physically embodied, but nevertheless their _content_ cannot both be true)." Or alethic, as I prefer. Talk of alethic conditions indeed simplifies things. But again, we are considering three spectra here: the spectrum of verbal imagery: Austin said, in English, "All swans are white". the spectrum of mental representation: "BEL (Austin, (x)Sx-->Wx))" -- where "S" and "W" are mental predicates which Austin should be able to expand. "By 'white' I mean, ..."". Note that Austin could claim that "A swan is white" is analytic. ("This is not a white raven; no such thing. An albino raven is an abnormal raven" -- cfr. Reichenbach). Finally, the spectrum of world 1 proper: the swans out in the lake which happen or happen not to be white. McEvoy: "This shows that there is a way of regarding content, even content that is perforce physically embodied such as speech or writing, that is independent of the specific physics of its embodiment." This sounds like a Q. E. D. of Duns Scotus, for which Tomasso d'Aquino can bring in his fifty six counterexamples. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html