[lit-ideas] Re: Islamism and Islam
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:36:57 -0800
By saying I suspected the progressive site was cooked up in Euorpe, I meant
by Muslims in Europe. There are Muslims in Europe and America that sound
Liberal or Moderate, but they don't dare behave like that in Muslim
countries, and if they are too outrageous then a contract is put out on them
as there was on Salmon Rushdie and on Hirsi Ali. I checked and I was wrong,
they were cooked up in the U.S & U.K. But I was right in thinking they were
not cooked up in a Muslim country.
Here's a Progressive Islam siite - in America:
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/2004/02/26_progressiveislam/
Here's another one. This one's in London:
http://www.safraproject.org/about.htm
Here is Daniel Pipes looking for a Moderate Muslim at the Progressive Islam
Union, and not finding one: http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/361 . Note,
Pipes isn't looking for a Moderate Islamist, just a Moderate Muslim.
Here's one located in Pleasanton New York: http://www.muslimwakeup.com/
I don't think it would do Hirsi Ali any good to hear about Progressive
Muslim organizations in the U.S. & the U.K. She is opposed to Islam as it
exists but not taking it upon herself to offer an improvement. She's not in
a position to inasmuch as she's a woman.
Lawrence
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islamism and Islam
In a message dated 2/25/2006 9:12:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,
lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I suspect she would think Progressive Islam would be a good thing if it
could gain some legitimacy.
HI,
Yes, if she actually visited the site. Wonder if she has...
That plus the other one are very much giving arguments against the idea that
the 'extras' that have been added onto Islam are actually supposed to be
there--it reminds me (a little) of the discussion in my part of the world
where the LDS (Mormons) are discussed by the RLDS (now Community of
Christ--they finally got tired of trying to explain the differences--and one
of the key ones was that Brigham Young had added [in their mind] to their
Holy Book)
I don't think that they would be considered non-Muslims, though. They seem
to be riding the same line that the emergent Christians are--kind of the
'beating them at their own game' so to speak.
It's not that there are not Fundamentalist Islamic types--and that their
actions need to be addressed. It's just that not all Muslims are the
Fundamentalist sorts. But, the Fundamentalist sorts in Islam are kind of
able to do a lot of what the Fundamentalist Christians are able to do--and
are awfully good at it.
As to its gaining some legitimacy--Omar could better speak to that, I would
think. But, the *thinking* and dissection of Scripture matches a lot of what
I'm seeing elsewhere in other religious strands ... and those seem to be
growing. (It may really be a generational thing--I have not done enough
investigation on how the Gen X and Gen Y folks are moving in other
countries...)
Best,
Marlena in Missouri
Always Search and Watching
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