[lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code of the West

  • From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:45:32 +0100

Lawrence: "You haven't really proved the Likud predecessor was a terrorist 
organization any more than you could prove that the French Resistance during 
WWII was a terrorist organization."

This from the Wikipedia page on Hagana:

'As Menachem Begin, an Irgun commander, stated in a 1944 meeting: "In fact, 
there is a division of roles; One organisation advocates individual terrorism 
(the Freedom Fighters of Israel), the other conducts sporadic military 
operations (the Irgun) and there is a third organisation which prepares itself 
to throw its final weight in the decisive war." The bombing of the King David 
Hotel in Palestine on July 22, 1946, which killed 91 persons (mostly civilians) 
was an Irgun operation in which the Haganah participated.'

So Begin, later PM of Israel, thought that the Lehi (Stern Gang) was certainly 
a terrorist organisation. And since the bombing of the King David hotel has to 
be a terrorist attack, it also imples that both Irgun and Haganah took part in 
terrorist activities.

Simon
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Helm 
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:58 AM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code of the West


  I checked all the sites with a search on the word "terror" and none of them 
used that word.  So if the Irgun said it themselves the managed it without 
saying "terror" or "terrorist."  But the primary thing I say is essentially 
what I said to Simon:



  It doesn't mean I would support anything.  I have a position on Militant 
Islam.  You haven't really proved the Likud predecessor was a terrorist 
organization any more than you could prove that the French Resistance during 
WWII was a terrorist organization.  Who said the Irgun was a terrorist 
organization?  Someone from the Haganah?  That's why there was a split.  They 
were more pacifistic and didn't like the Irgun activists. They called the Irgun 
names.  Big deal.  It was a different time 60 years ago in which nothing 
existed that corresponds to a Militant Islamic Terrorist organization.  But so 
what?  Why should I voice opinions about matters I'm not interested in to suit 
someone's deviant interests?  



  I continue to believe that Militant Islamic nations should be defeated, and 
the threat of militant Islamic terrorist organizations should be "sanitized" to 
use George Friedman's term, or "eliminated" to use mine.  



  Lawrence

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