[lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code of the West

  • From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:10:00 -0700

I meant "more pacifistic."  They did disagree on the use of force.

-----Original Message-----
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:02 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code of the West

Lawrence,

By characterizing the Haganah as pacifists, you have
demonstrated some ability as a comedian. Re your other
comments, se the article titled "US hawks smell
blood":

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG19Ak01.html


--- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Simon:  It doesn't mean I would support anything.  I
> have a position of
> Militant Islam.  You haven't really proved the Likud
> predecessor was a
> terrorist organization any more than you could prove
> that the French
> Resistance during WWII was a terrorist organization.
>  Who said the Irgun was
> a terrorist organization?  Someone from the Haganah?
>  That's why there was a
> split.  The pacifists didn't like the activists. 
> Big deal.  It was a
> different time in which nothing existed that
> corresponds to a Militant
> Islamic Terrorist organization.  But so what?  Why
> should I voice opinions
> about matters I'm not interested in to suit
> someone's deviant interests?  
> 
>  
> 
> I continue to believe that Militant Islamic nations
> should be defeated, and
> the threat of militant Islamic terrorist
> organizations should be sanitized.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Lawrence
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Simon Ward
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:31 PM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code
> of the West
> 
>  
> 
> I feel fine Lawrence. It's a bit warm here, sticky
> almost, but apart from
> that, I feel fine.
> 
>  
> 
> However, I'm not convinced that your position, what
> you mean, is supportable
> since it implies that you would support terrorist
> methods providing you
> thought the cause was right. 
> 
>  
> 
> I also think that you were ready to defend Irgun
> until it became obvious
> that they were terrorists. Now you're convinced that
> they were terrorists
> you're miffed and want to restrict the discussion to
> militant islam. In
> itself, that precludes my first point, but it also
> suggests that you don't
> want to consider it because while you support the
> cause (an Israeli State)
> you don't approve of the methods that attained it
> (terrorism).
> 
>  
> 
> For many, that provides Israel's inherent
> contradiction; it was a state that
> was founded on terrorism but which now abhors it.
> That's what I think by the
> way.
> 
>  
> 
> Simon
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Helm 
> 
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:18 AM
> 
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code
> of the West
> 
>  
> 
> Do you get to say what I mean or do I?  I'd like to
> think that I know what I
> mean.  I am not talking about all the groups of the
> past that might
> technically fit someone's definition.  I am talking
> about Militant Islam.  I
> don't need to provide an all inclusive statement
> each time I say
> "Terrorist."  It should be understood, and is, that
> I mean "Militant Islamic
> Terrorist." 
> 
>  
> 
> Militant Islamic Terrorist organizations should be
> exterminated.  There, do
> you feel better now?
> 
>  
> 
> Lawrence
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


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