[lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code of the West

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:42:39 -0700 (PDT)

With Iranian and Syrian support, but in response to
the Israeli invasion. See:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hizballah.htm

--- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Omar,
> 
>  
> 
> No, no, no.  Hezbollah was created by Khomeini to
> spread his revolution
> which he fully intended to sweep the Arab world.  He
> sent it to Lebanon
> because of its large Shiite population, i.e, as the
> nation most likely to
> accept his revolution.  This is pretty well known.  
> 
>  
> 
> Lawrence
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:23 PM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the Code
> of the West
> 
>  
> 
> Lawrence,
> 
>  
> 
> That: "Militant Islam is an ideology with a
> 
> distinctive history" is not a terribly interesting
> 
> observation, and not a terribly pertinent one
> either.
> 
> Yes, the Hizbollah has an ideology, as did Tito's
> 
> guerillas, Mao's guerrilas, Che Guevarra etc. They
> all
> 
> talked about world revolutions occasionally but
> later
> 
> settled on more modest goals of national liberation.
> 
> Hezbollah was created during the Israeli occupation
> of
> 
> Lebanon, so it did function behind the lines of an
> 
> invading army then. Now arguably Hizbollah is
> 
> transforming itself from a guerrilla force into an
> 
> army. It's not and it has never been a terrorist
> 
> organization in the sense of deliberately targetting
> 
> civilians. (The IDF has a rather more impressive
> 
> record in that department.) You may continue to
> define
> 
> terrorists as people with an idelogy you dislike but
> 
> we are under no obligation to take your definition
> 
> seriously.
> 
>  
> 
> O.K.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> --- Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> > I don't agree with the implication of moral
> 
> > equivalence.  Militant Islam is
> 
> > an ideology with a distinctive history.  It arose
> 
> > out of Wahhab and Salafist
> 
> > teachings.  It went through a transformation at
> the
> 
> > hands of Maududi, Al
> 
> > Banna, Qutb and Khomeini.  It is bent upon the
> 
> > conquering first the region
> 
> > (pan-Arabism) and then the world through violent
> 
> > means.  Hezbollah was
> 
> > specifically created by Khomeini to advance his
> 
> > Militant Islamist
> 
> > Revolution.  Hezbollah is a Terrorist organization
> 
> > and not a Guerilla
> 
> > organization.  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Guerilla: "Any member of a small defensive force
> of
> 
> > irregular soldiers,
> 
> > usually volunteers, making surprise raids, esp
> 
> > behind the lines of an
> 
> > invading enemy army."  [from Webster's New World
> 
> > College Dictionary]
> 
> > "Guerilla" would fit the American Revolutionists,
> 
> > the French Resistors, the
> 
> > Apaches, and the Irgun.  It does not fit the
> 
> > Hezbollah which was created in
> 
> > Iran as the chief organization for spreading
> 
> > Khomeini's Islamist Revolution.
> 
> > If it is a Guerilla organization, what is it doing
> 
> > in Lebanon?
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Lawrence
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> >   _____  
> 
> > 
> 
> > From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> > [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> 
> > On Behalf Of Paul Stone
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:29 PM
> 
> > To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Islam, Israel and the
> Code
> 
> > of the West
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > OK >* By all accounts, Hizbollah is not a
> terrorist
> 
> > organization but a
> 
> > guerrilla army. See for example:
> 
> >  
> 
> > Israel needs to recognize that it cannot be the
> only
> 
> > country in the region with any credible military
> 
> > force.
> 
> >  
> 
> > LH: To quote you, You come out as extremely
> poorly
> 
> > informed here.  Read a
> 
> > non-Leftist History of Iran.  Hezbollah was
> created
> 
> > by Khomeini as the
> 
> > activist arm of his revolution.  It isnt a
> guerilla
> 
> > organization.  It is a
> 
> > full-fledged Militant Islamic terrorist
> 
> > organization.  You cant understand
> 
> > Hezbollah without understanding Khomeinis
> Islamist
> 
> > Revolution.  I dont
> 
> > know how credible Hezbollahs military force will
> 
> > turn out.  Well probably
> 
> > have an opportunity to find out.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > One man's revolutionary freedom fighter is another
> 
> > man's militant terrorist.
> 
> > It's pretty meaningless to argue about it. As you
> 
> > can see, it will go on
> 
> > forever. But... carry on, at least it's something
> to
> 
> > read. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > paul
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > ##########
> 
> > Paul Stone
> 
> > pas@xxxxxxxx
> 
> > Kingsville, ON, Canada
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> __________________________________________________
> 
> Do You Yahoo!?
> 
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> protection around 
> 
> http://mail.yahoo.com 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub,
> vacation on/off,
> 
> digest on/off), visit
> www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
> 
> 


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 
------------------------------------------------------------------
To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off,
digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html

Other related posts:

  1. Home
  2. lit-ideas
  3. Archive
  4. 07-2006