-----Original Message----- From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Jan 29, 2005 12:53 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Iraq and news Andy writes: Andreas is not being unfair. Everything I have heard from experts and analysts says that there is, essentially, no way out. Both staying there and pulling out have disastrous consequences." _____ Disagree. It is unfair of Andreas to offer no constructive solutions in the context of this discussion. "Fix the problem not the blame" is always a useful dictum. The issue is the future of Iraq, not whether Bush was right to invade or whether Bush's pre-war planners were a bunch of arrogant jerks. A.A. It's hard even for me to believe a problem isn't fixable, but all the experts and analysts I've heard say that no matter what we do, we lose. Even on this list we're demanding a solution, but no one has come up with one. Why? Saying our information is imperfect is a cop out, since the administration has the worst information. Most of us could have told them Saddam had no weapons, the people would hate us, etc. In fact, the administration was told by the inspectors and by the world. They ignored everyone, didn't even send in extra inspectors, and went with their ideologies and desires instead of facts. The administration seems to start a lot of things and then gets sidetracked. They half baked Afghanistan, leaving lawless chaos behind, then moved into Iraq. Now they'll take attention and resources from the lawlessness and mayhem in Iraq and turn to Iran. After that maybe North Korea. Even if we, theoretically, were to succeed in overthrowing Iran, what would happen? Who would run the show? Do we annex them as the 51st state? Or will it be more democracy on the march in which to breed terrorists? And what about Afghanistan, one of the most lawless places on earth? Outside the major cities, where is the democracy there, and how long will it last? I'm nervously awaiting these elections. Can't wait to see what happens. _____ It's hard to believe that Bush et al. learned so little from this experience that they now are talking about repeating it with Iran, who they suspect has nuclear weapons no less. _____ According to a recent Asia Times article, Iran is already recruiting suicide squadrons to fight any US occupation with asymmetric tactics. That seems odd, since the only US actions on the table right now are tactical strikes against their nuclear weapons production facilities, not invasion and occupation. A.A. The U.S. wasn't going to occupy Iraq either. What do you realistically expect Iran to do? Andy Amago Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html