Owers didn't choose to ban the tie pin because she was answering calls from anybody. She chose to because it made sense to her; to have prison warders displaying such a symbol - which has close ties to the BNP - in a prison is not advisable. The tie pin might be construed as saying that the warder was a member of the BNP or supported the BNP. Not a clever move I'd suggest. Note, however, that Steyn went way past the mark. He said, according to your quote which I trust, that Owers had banned the flying of the English national flag in English prisons. Tell us Lawrence, do you think Steyn was telling the truth here? A post postscript on the DVLA. The only related story as regards the DVLA and the English flag is similar to the Heathrow story. Similar but funnier. An urban myth was spread that the DVLA had issued a press release asking bad drivers to advertise the fact by fixing an English flag to their windows. American list members will not have seen the number of flags flown thus during the last world cup. Equally they won't have noticed just how fast they disappeared once England had fallen by the wayside. Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Iran outraged by Hollywood war epic There is a fine point here that you and Simon seem to take comfort in, that I'm not quite following, namely that it is the flag on the pin that is to be prohibited and not the flag itself, but surely Owers wouldn't allow the flag if she prohibited the flag on the pin. The people who want to ban the flag on the pin also want to ban the flag itself. I saw several articles to that effect. Here is an interesting discussion on Dhimmi Watch: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008420.php Lawrence