You're a kick in the old patootie, Andreas. While I was intending to show how absurd your statement was. Robert was assiduously defending you arguing that you weren't really saying the absurd thing you seemed to be saying. Okay, now that we know you really did mean to say what you said, let's see what we can find on the Indian breeds. Here is the first breed I found: <http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2005/01/22/stories/2005012200090400.h tm> http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2005/01/22/stories/2005012200090400.ht m the Rajapalayam. The article says that the Rajapalayam make good guard dogs. Now I'll grant that the word "dominance" isn't used in the article, but I have never heard of a guard dog breed that didn't have its dominant members. <http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/001111.html> http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/001111.html This article from an Indian blog says that the Rajapalayam were used to hunt boar. It also says that Indians want European dogs while many Europeans want South Indian dogs, especially the Rjapalayam. The Rampur Hound. http://www.dogsindia.com/rampur_hound.htm The Rampur Hound is derived from the Afghan Tazi, very ferocious, and the Greyhound. Did they breed all the Tazi ferocity out of the Rampur hound? I doubt it. The Kanni http://www.dogsindia.com/kanni.htm The Kanni are not allowed to roam the streets. Why not when it is so peaceful out there? They are used for hunting. Hunting? The Mudhol Hound http://www.dogsindia.com/mudhol_hound.htm Watch out for this one. The males have a tendency to attack at times. Okay, I found those in an hour of searching. The Indian dog breeds sound like the dog breeds I am familiar with - not a separate species given to peace and tranquility - just dogs. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 6:57 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Can't have a gun? Get a dog "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Ah, so that's what you meant. Well, what I said wasn't a strawman. It was > to show the absurdity of Andreas statement. I intended a reduction ad > absurdum. Viz. If you don't need to show a dominant dog that you are > dominant, that leaves him dominant. The absurdity of my statement? Which one wins, Lawrence? Logical arguments or facts? Fact overthrows your argument, no matter how you argue. In India, you don't have to show dogs that you're dominant, and the dogs don't dominate by default. And, by the way, I also saw black swans in India. yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html