[lit-ideas] Re: I'm going back to lurking
- From: Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 19:40:27 +0100 (BST)
Excuse my naivete, but I opened this post thinking it might, as Brits say,
'do what it says on the tin'.
That's it. Sorry. To everyone.
Donal
Going back to low-level drug-dealing and inept attempts at offering my body
for money
[my money]
Somewhere in England
--- Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear Austin,
>
> After I made the remark about Hawthorne and the Quaker
> woman I regretted it somewhat, and I said later that I
> withdraw that remark. I thought that the episode might
> be of some interest at the time I made the comment,
> but later I figured it could have been an impertinent
> thing to say. I apologize for that remark. However, I
> did not regret questioning the
> epistemological/analytical import of an isolated
> personal episode, nor do I regret having done so now.
> It is not a matter that should give you offence, for I
> was not questioning your personal fairness or
> veracity, but rather addressing you in the context of
> the general discussion. Repeatedly deliberately
> misspelling my name does not do you much honour, and
> neither does refering to "Moslems" as a single lump,
> as you have done a couple of times in your earlier
> post. But perhaps we all have minor imperfections that
> should be excused, if not necessarily tolerated. Also,
> it's not much use to present yourself as a lurker,
> when in fact you have been contributing regularly to
> this list and the previous lists. When I responded, I
> was not thinking about you as someone who only steps
> in briefly to tell a personal anecdote, but rather as
> someone who is a participant in the general debate,
> and is prepared to handle criticism and challenge. I
> hope that you will change your mind and stay on the
> list, though in truth I am considering stepping down
> myself.
>
> O.K.
>
>
> --- Austin Meredith <Kouroo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Recently there has been on this list a discussion of
> > antisemitism and the
> > Middle East, and I thought I saw an opportunity for
> > me to contribute a
> > minor fact that was of my personal knowledge. After
> > I had contributed that
> > fact, another contributor to this list, "Omar
> > Kosturica," snapped back in
> > the following manner:
> > >This happened during the early days of the Islamic
> > >revolution. So are we now going to tell an anecdote
> > or
> > >two from Europe during World War II and conclude
> > >thereof that the European societies are, have
> > always
> > >been, and will always be, pervasively anti-Semitic
> > ?
> > >Or an anecdote from Russia during the 'pogrom'
> > days,
> > >and draw similar conclusions about the Russian
> > society?
> >
> > Since I do not appreciate being responded to in such
> > a manner, I am going
> > to return to lurking. I wish I had not bothered to
> > share my information,
> > such as it was, with this list.
> >
> > This "Omar Kosturica" continued with an irrelevancy
> > about something he
> > seems to remember from several centuries before he
> > was born:
> >
> > >I seem to remember that the grandfather of
> > Nathaniel
> > >Hawthorne sentenced a Quaker woman to be whipped in
> > >the streets of Boston, which is mentioned in one of
> > >his stories.
> >
> > The person to whom "Omar Kosturica" seems to be
> > referring to was Nathaniel
> > Hawthorne's great-great-great-grandfather William
> > Hathorne (1606/07-1681),
> > rather than one of his grandfathers. He had arrived
> > on these shores in 1630
> > on the Arbella, settling in Dorchester in New
> > England and then moving to
> > Salem. This great-great-great-grandfather would
> > serve as a Major in wars
> > against the Americans and become a Magistrate and
> > Judge of the Puritans,
> > and we have his holograph signature upon a warrant
> > for the whipping out of
> > town of Friend Anne Coleman for being a Quaker.
> > Nathaniel Hawthorne the
> > fiction writer, one of this man's
> > great-great-great-grandsons, did in fact
> > refer to this warrant in one of his fictions.
> >
> > Omar Kosturica's summation was:
> >
> > >What could this tell us about the American society?
> >
> > I would respond with "What could it tell us about
> > this lit-ideas list, that
> > a lurker, myself, rose from lurking for a moment,
> > and contributed something
> > -- only to promptly regret having bothered to do
> > so?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
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