[lit-ideas] Re: Illegal Immigration
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:16 -0400
---- Original Message -----
From: Mike Geary
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 9/14/2005 11:44:14 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Illegal Immigration
Andy Amago:
>> Do you realize ANYONE at ANY TIME can just walk into the country? Anyone,
>> carrying whatever they can carry? You like that? <<
Mike: It doesn't bother me. If terrorists want in, they'll get in. The only
people we keep out are dissidents and critics of American policies.
A.A. So you agree with my suggestion to eliminate all doors at all times
because anyone can get in anyhow, so why bother? Cool. You be the first to
take down all your doors.
>> Marlena gets it. She understands that depressing wages lowers the standard
>> of living for this country. <<
Mike: So, raise the minimum wage. It's as simple as that. Make the minimum
wage in this country a living, family, saving wage. Don't kick the poor in the
stomach for being poor.
A.A. Simple. How do you propose to do it? BTW, I second Judy's arguments
about the minimum wage. So, how do you propose to do this thing called raising
the minimum wage when the whole point of illegal aliens is to keep the wages
down?
>> We in this country have a struggling middle class, a shrinking middle class
>> as corporate entities do they can, with the blessing and help of Congress,
>> to slam working people.<<
Mike; Yes, I agree. So vote the greed-driven, corrupt plutocrats out of
office. Don't assault the immigrants who are working their asses off for near
slave wages so that you can have cheap produce and chickens.
A.A. And while we're at it, we'll just vote out all the creationist crap, etc.
BTW, did you vote for Bush or Gore?
>>You're right, everything in this country is about money, money for the
>>corporate bottom line, for the ultra rich. I'll repeat: exploiting illegal
>>aliens keeps corporate profits zooming, tax breaks for the CEO's coming, the
>>middle class in the U.S. sliding downhill, <<
Mike: And your solution is to keep anyone south of the border out. Then
everything will be fine. I don't think so. Let's try raising the minimum wage
and taxing the wealthy before attacking the poor.
A.A. My solution is to let them in, but to ask them to show their faces and be
counted and then do whatever work there is. Not to sneak in like criminals.
>> BTW, low life Fox's #1 source of income is exporting his people to work here
>> and send money back to Mexico, <<
Mike: Even if that's true, I see nothing wrong with it. They're doing jobs we
need done and they're helping their families.
A.A. Which they can't do legally?
>> Do you hate this country Mike? Is that the problem? <<
Mike: No, but I do hate xenophobia and facile answers.
A.A. You're asking Congress to raise the minimum wage when they don't care a
rat's ass about anybody except wealthy corporate interests. I think you'd
better define facile.
Andy Amago
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Amago
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Illegal Immigration
Did you catch Wide Angle with Bill Moyers on PBS? It's about India's growing
middle class based on outsourced call center jobs from this country. GROWING
MIDDLE CLASS. The call centers over there are sparking the need for ancillary
services like transportation, food service, shopping malls and so on. That
means jobs for Indians, better jobs, higher standard of living, growing middle
class. Before they had a middle class, India was in abject poverty. Before
China had a middle class they were in abject poverty. China has developed a
significant enough, and growing, middle class that they are no longer
considered a rising power. They are a risen power. Because of the freakin'
engine that drives any economy, the middle class.
The latest are the new bankruptcy regulations, higher credit card fees
(higher, can you imagine; credit card fees now produce more income for the
banks than interest rates), no help during disaster relief, and on and on. An
educated work force is our only hope, yet what are we here doing to improve it?
Pushing I.D. instead of science. *How* do you propose to be a superpower in
the 21st century with a population nurtured on I.D. instead of science, amid
general lowering of standards in math and science and nobody doing anything
about it? Instead of improving public schools, Bush proposes vouchers. Wow.
security nil, and Vicente Fox from doing anything to improve the standard of
living in his own country. For the record, exploiting illegals is but one
problem out of a long list (see above about credit card fees). exporting them
along with drugs, criminals, gangs, anything and everything that wants to come
here while he does nothing, NOTHING, to improve his own country. Are you
suggesting it's okay for him to do nothing because Bush is doing nothing?
Nothing good that is. Lots bad but nothing good.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Geary
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 9/14/2005 12:17:48 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Illegal Immigration
The way I see it, there are two very good solutions to the immigration problem
here is the good old U. S. of A. The first is to license the killiing of
illegal immigrants by U. S. citizens. This is too big a problem for our local
police forces to handle. We must rely on the individual citizens of these
great United States to identify and eradicate the aliens. The other
alternative is to welcome them with open arms and thank them for doing the shit
jobs we won't do. I'm not sure yet which option I favor. The first is the
simplest. But it would probably require new laws drafting every able bodied
citizen to report to the fields for the havesting of fruits and vegetables --
like in Cuba -- except, I think, they do it voluntarily there because they love
Cuba -- try to get an American to report to the fields to pick okra without a
bayonet at his back -- ha! But still, killing a few thousand&
nbsp;recalcitrant Americans is better than letting desperately poor people make
a
living off our needs.
Vote for the gun.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Amago
To: lit-ideas
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Illegal Immigration
In case anyone thought illegal immigration isn't about politics. My man Lou
Dobbs again:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0828dobbs0828.html#
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