I was re-reading my quotes in "META META ..." (the title was meant as the 'regressus ad infinitum' suggested by J. Wager) and am thinking of hybrids. Meta-literature, meta-literary, seem hybrid (Greek-Latin), 'metagrammatikos' is fine. Since this is 'lit-ideas', I thought 'meta-ideology', and then thought of Andreas: _www.andreas.com/books.html_ (http://www.andreas.com/books.html) IdeengeschichteGerman noun. The research into the history of ideas. Ideas don't fall from the sky. For example, the idea that God doesn't exist only first occurred in the 18th century. It was made possible by the idea that one could prove that God existed and that only first happened in the 14th and 15th century. Before that, no one thought to prove that God existed because it was obvious that he did exist. The Bible never considered whether he existed nor did it try to prove this. The Rationalists thought they were doing a favor to theology by proving his existence. This however brought his very existence into doubt, and thus shortly afterwards the entire matter became irrelevant. Germans research the centuries of history, politics, literature, languages, philosophy, and history to trace back the origins, development, meaning, relations, and impact of ideas. ----- So there seems to be something essentially 'meta-' about a discipline like "History of Ideas" that Isaiah Berlin, of all people, held the chair for at Oxford. Cheers, J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina. ------ 1965 Man 65 29 The reappearance in the myth of Lake Munkamba of the Welsh, Pyrenean, and Cameroonian theme of the drowned city, reminds us..that the universalities of content in stories of this kind will always raise them to a level better called meta-literary than literary. 1976 T. EAGLETON Crit. & Ideol. i. 18 As a meta-literary practice, a metaphor of the text, criticism writes large the text's inability to think the conditions of its own possibility. 1991 E. J. SMYTH Postmodernism & Contemp. Fiction iv. 77 Two very intelligent novels..both of which have a metaliterary dimension which links them to Calvino's other influential late novel. For the use of 'meta-literature' [< META- prefix + LITERATURE n., perhaps after French métalittérature (1925). 1966 Jrnl. Politics 28 482 The conventional concerns of political philosophy receive a delightful treatment free of the murky meta-literature often found in such texts. 1972 P. HODGSON in Pacific Coast Philol. 7 36 (title) Metaliterature: an excerpt from the anatomy of a Chekhovian narrator. 1988 MLN 103 449 Doña Berta exists simultaneously as literary object and as metaliterature. 1995 Symposium (Electronic ed.) 1 Mar., Cargiale's writings often accentuate..direct address and metaliterature, linguistic play and postmodern discursive amalgamation. **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html