Julie, I have Office 2007 & Vista on both my desktop and laptop - and if I had to do it all over again I would use Office 2003 and Windows XP. If I was trying to keep the cost as low as possible, I'd use Windows XP Pro and Open Office (which is free) & Eudora (which is free). However, the big danger I see in your future is . . . backup. I have for years gotten the latest everything and had a zillion crashes. I have a nephew who is a computer nerd, who manages a computer system for a company. He is the one who has talked me into using the latest everything, but he agrees, Vista has too many problems. Windows XP would be better. Except I already have Vista and it would be too big a hassle to change back to XP Pro. In regard to Office 2007, I only use Outlook 2007 and so can't speak about the other elements, but Outlook 2007 has been crashing, in its own way daily. It has a problem with the viewing pane. If you set it up so you view emails on the right side, sometimes it doesn't like that and crashes - very slowly, fading out and making you wait for it to finally go so you can start it up again. My nephew has had similar problems; although not quite mine. My problem may be associated with the combination of Vista (the way it is set up on my computer) & Office 2007. Back to backup. Since I have lost data over the years, I am paranoid about backup. I have both a desktop and a laptop. My laptop is a big one, a 17 inch HP with Vista & Office 2007. If I'm doing a lot of serious writing, I prefer the laptop, but for most things I use my desktop - when it is working properly. I backup data from my desktop to my laptop and to a couple of hard-drive I keep for backup. I have the additional problem. Susan has a desktop and a laptop. The last thing I had go out was my router . . . but if you have only one office to worry about, you wouldn't need a router. However, if you are upgrading an old computer with more RAM and a better Operating System, you will need backup. How big is your hard drive? You can get an enclosure with 750 GBs for about $115 if you check around. The problem with Open office (the free equivalent of Microsoft Office 2007 or 2003, can't tell) is that it has no email utility. However, you could get Eudora, which is also free - except I can't recall if that has a colander. I am going to put Office 2003 back on my desktop and see if I can get it to accept my Office 2007 emails. If not, I shall probably delete everything from Office 2007 except Outlook and just keep that as an archive for emails. Of course your problems may vary, if you insist on staying with Microsoft (as opposed to Apple). Vista has a good backup utility, better than Windows XP Pro. If I had to have just one computer, I would make it a brand new one and hope it lasted at least two years - otherwise, two computers and lots of backup. Lawrence Helm San Jacinto From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julie Krueger Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:08 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] I need advice/input... Okay, guys. I need some input. It be that time again ....meaning time to stop trying to upgrade hardware and break down and purchase yet another new computer. Actually 2 new computers -- one for home and one for a business. Essentially laptop vs. desktop is the central issue. List members I know have some similar general situations in terms of work space (home to office, file sharing, etc.) to what I'm encountering and I'd love to know what works best for you, warnings from your bad experiences, notices of your good forays through the swamp of technology. I've been doing a couple-month stint as Interim Administrator/Consultant for the local Synagogue. The previous Administrator had been in place for 11 years. She was not as technologically aware as a business office needs one to be these days. She purchased a new computer for the office 4 years ago. It has 248 MB RAM. Yup, you read that right. the MS Office software installed is Office 97. I have persuaded the Board that a new computer with 1 or 2 GB of RAM and an installation of Office 2007 is, well, IMPERATIVE. For $500 or so I could get a desktop for the office that would have adequate spec's for their needs. At home, I've been monkeying around with my computer access. I finally gave in and cut land-lines (the local phone company is just untenable at this point -- I'm sure Southwest Bell, CenturyTel, etc. are rapidly going the way of the dinosaurs -- the TMobile ad that's been running on TV is kinda interesting). Right now I'm using a wireless configuration on an old, inadequate laptop, and a Motorola Moto Q smart-phone (which I'm borderline in love with),running Windows Mobile. I use gmail (and attendant branches such as google docs, etc.), and try to utilize web-based app's as much as possible. I'm likely going to be doing part-time Consulting for the Shul for sometime, but prefer to do as much of it remotely as possible. The Shul's e-mail is also web-based, which helps. Here's what I keep running up against when I'm choosing new computers for the Shul, and for myself personally. Laptops which are available now have (as far as I can determine from advertised spec's) equivalent capabilities to desktops (which I'm thinking are going to go the way of mainframes). Question: what pragmatic advantages are there to using a desktop rather than a laptop? I am fairly certain I'm going to go the way of the laptop for my personal use -- a new one using the same wireless configuration. I can't, off-hand, think of any drawbacks -- on the other hand, I'm labouring under sleep deprivation and lack of experience with utilizing a laptop exclusively. Security issues are the only things I can think of that would be issues at the Shul office re. laptop vs. desktop. I'm inclined to go w/ desktop. Are there any good reasons to choose a laptop over a desktop??? I can access much of what I need to of office files from my laptop. Flash drives and web app's help a good deal (e.g., folks attach Word documents created in current versions to e-mails which they send to the office. The MS Office 97 installed will not read them, but if I open them as a Google Document and it works beautifully). How long is it going to be until packages like MS Office are a thing of the past? The cost of Office 2007 isn't horrid -- $500 roughly -- but if there's a web-based alternative it would be pretty cool. One thing that is in pretty constant demand in the office is desk-top publishing. I'm leaning strongly toward Office 2007 simply because our website will export its calender to Outlook, allowing access to the Administrator, Secretary, and Rabbi for appointment setting, etc. I haven't used MS Publisher -- the thing is set up to use PageMaker, but I've heard good things about Publisher. I thinKkI'd like to move stuff like newsletters to publisher, as it could integrate data with Outlook (calendering, e.g) The current set-up at the Shul is horribly splintered -- data like event information, calendering, congregation database info, etc. are all in different "places" and there is a monstrous problem with double, triple data-entry. File sharing and integrating data in a way which is accessible for all the various purposes (the same data should be available to the e-mail setup, the desktop publishing, the reminders/alerts/calendering, etc.) is my goal. Seamless integration rocks. I'm kinda free-floating ideas here, cuz my experience with this list tells me someone is going to mention options and issues I haven't thought of <g>. All of a sudden I'm in a Cheers mood ....."where everybody knows your name...." Ah...cyber communities are lovely. Julie Krueger No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM