http://www.nypost.com/seven/02092007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/gen__petraeu s_real_problem_opedcolumnists_amir_taheri.htm?page=3 Podhoretz quotes from this article in his World War IV, The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism. The following seems applicable to your comments, Walter: "With a combination of intelligence, patience and determination, Petraeus can win in Baghdad," Amir Taheri wrote in February 2007. "The battleground where his chances do not appear as good is Washington. The United States today has become home to a veritable industry of defeat - producing books, TV documentaries, research papers, intelligence analyses and feature movies destined for a growing market. Almost every day, some article assuming that the United States has already been defeated in Iraq, and recommend measures to deal with the consequences of defeat. And when the United States does something, it does it Big: The defeat industry is assuming a bewildering scale." Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Wager Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 8:04 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: How the West Could Lose Lawrence Helm wrote: . . . . Was there a great enthusiastic fanatical increase in devotion to the Communist Party in the period from 1956 to 1991, right before it collapsed? I really don't think so. Of course those under Soviet control had a quite attractive alternative to communism, which clearly had an appeal: The West from 1956 to 1991 was a shining beacon of freedom, rule of law, and success. <>Another thing to consider is that the second generation Communists were not as committed as the first generation. We are well into the second generation of Jihadists and their fervor seems on the increase. Perhaps it's because there is no longer any clear-cut superior alternative, at least in the minds of the "followers?" <> Lit-Ideas Leftists make light of the Islamofascist threat. There are no crocs in the rivers or alligators in the swamps and such people as Pipes and Helm are alarmists who can't answer the silly obfuscatory quibbles of Leftist avoidance. Well, that isn't true. All the facts point one way: and that is the way that Leftists refuse to look. The reason I can't even stand to listen to Bush's voice on the radio or TV any more is not because I'm making light of possible threats, it's because his policies have INCREASED these threats over what the might have been, had we stayed the society I grew up in and still love. -- ------------------------------------------------- "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence and ignorance." ------------------------------------------------- John Wager john.wager1@xxxxxxxxxxx Lisle, IL, USA