[lit-ideas] Re: Honor: A History

  • From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:56:58 -0400

Honor is like chivalry, a meaningless fantasy that is a good excuse for hitting 
or killing somebody.  The fact remains that the author of the article cited to 
young children as his precedent.  Applying logic, we might as well do away with 
bathrooms and just dirty our pants because it's our impulse.  The less 
important honor is, the less violence there is.  Honor is a big deal in the 
inner cities.  Dissing someone can get you killed.  It's a big deal in the mob 
and anywhere else there's a lot of violence.  Men fought duels to protect their 
honor.  Do you like that?  Instead of applying logic, try a little reality.  
Then decide if you prefer a stable world without violence, or an "honorable" 
world that revolves on defending one's honor constantly.   Obviously you would 
prefer defending your honor and your nation's honor constantly.    

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lawrence Helm 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 5/9/2006 1:32:51 PM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Honor: A History


You really should study logic.  It is mind-numbing to try and follow your line 
of reason.  In fact ?reason? isn?t the right word to apply to what you do. 

?Honor? has several definitions.  I take Bowman to mean the first definition in 
my Webster?s New World College Dictionary, especially ?good reputation and 

Logically if you oppose Honor then you prefer dishonor, for that is it?s 
opposite.  You don?t want a good reputation.  A bad one will serve you quite 
well.  The fact that honor is understood by children doesn?t mean that is 
childish and something adults should avoid.  It means it is in our nature.  We 
don?t grow out of childish honor into adult dishonor. We grow, in fact we used 
to grow, to have a more sophisticated or adult sense of honor.  We don?t worry 
about a good reputation in regard to being the first to eat our porridge, but 
we value our reputation at work and we want to be considered honest and 

We and the Islamists have a different sense of honor.  Just because they kill 
daughters who they feel have dishonored them doesn?t mean that we should eschew 
honor and choose dishonor in its stead.  ?Doing the honorable thing? in Western 
society, as Bowman writes used to be considered a virtue.  In fact if someone 
were to stop and think about it logically, it still is.


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