In a message dated 5/28/2014 12:40:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes in "Falling on the grenade and other morals": And here, by using the word “ought” we are entering into Nicholas Wade territory. We know more about the Chimpanzee than we once did. It is now known that in the wild they engage in almost constant warfare with neighboring tribes. One tribe will try to kill of the males of an enemy tribe, one by one, and eventually take over its females. The Chimpanzee and the line that became homo sapiens split about 5 million years ago. Wade infers that man’ s ancestors behaved just as the chimpanzee does today, but when man entered into hunter-gatherer societies, the old ways didn’t work. These societies no longer needed an alpha male. They needed to become egalitarian; so, according to Wade, Natural Selection developed “morals” in the Hunter-Gatherer society so that tribe members would behave as they “ought.” Wade lists what he believes were the critical “oughts,” and tribe members who didn’t abide by them, when found out, would be ostracized. Being kicked out of a tribe in those days was tantamount to a death sentence; so it was in their interest to conform. --- We are also entering into R. M. Hare's territory, and most moral philosophers, especially of the type I favour: Oxonian and analytic! We've seen that Wade blatantly (is this correct here?) ignores Locke, as he should. Wade is Eton and Cambridge (King's) and as he says in an interview online, he mainly studied science at Cantab. while not 'aiming at' being a scientist at all! It's no wonder he does not care for or quote traditional English philosophers who are rather revered in Oxford, rather! But the passage above reminded me of Locke's predecessor: Hobbes, and the famous dictum as used in De Cive. Homo homini lupus seems to implicate: "man is a wolf to [his fellow] man." The adage was first attested in Plauto's Asinaria (195 BC) -- the Romans love a wolf -- as: "lupus est homo homini" The phrase is sometimes translated as "man is man's wolf", which carries a different implicature and can now be interpreted to mean that man preys upon man. It is widely referenced (by humans, rather than wolves) when discussing the horrors of which humans (and wolves) are capable. As a counterpoint, Seneca the Younger wrote that "man is something sacred for man" ("Homo, sacra res homini), but Livy thinks that "he was, perhaps, joking." Thomas Hobbes, year later, and after a (perhaps Oxonian) education, drew upon both aphorisms in the dedication of his De Cive (1651): "To speak impartially, both sayings are very true; That Man to Man is a kind of God; and that Man to Man is an errant Wolfe. The first is true, if we compare Citizens amongst themselves; and the second, if we compare Cities." Hobbes's observation in turn echoes a line from Plauto claiming that man is inherently selfish, and _contra_ Wade who thinks that while chimps are selfish, man (as in "Badge of Courage") is selfless, or unselfish ("Unto others"). The adage can also be taken further: "Man is a wolf to Man, which, you will agree, is not very kind to the wolf." (Serge Bouchard, Quinze lieux communs, Les armes, Boréal editions, p. 177 -- this seems to echo Marais -- but cfr. "My Frends the Wolves"). Erasmus discusses Plautus' use of the phrase in Adagia (1500). This was possibly due to Erasmus's wife suggesting so. The adage is used ironically in Voltaire's Candide (1759) to argue against the philosophy of optimism. The adage is the founding assumption of Sigmund Freud's confused "Civilization and Its Discontents" (1929) -- the year when "Mister Cinders" opened in London. It iscCited on p. 211 of the third volume of Klaas Schilder's Christus in Zijn lijden trilogy. It is also quoted in Marianne Moore's World War II poem "In Distrust of Merits". In chapter 13 of Doctor Zhivago (1957) by Boris Pasternak, the narrator remarks, of the scenes and events witnessed by Zhivago as he evades partisans late in Russia's post-revolutionary civil war: "Those days justified the ancient saying that 'man is a wolf to man'." The adage is quoted in Eine Frau in Berlin (1959), an anonymously published autobiography posthumously attributed to Marta Hillers. In Marco Bellocchio's directorial debut Fists in the Pocket (1965), a man chats with a girl in a nightclub and tries to explain this phrase to her. He fails, fortunately. In Patrick O'Brian's The Wine-Dark Sea (1993), parson Nathaniel Martin uses the phrase to comment on his shipmates who have become cheerfully avaricious in anticipation of more treasure from enemy ships. The adage is the title of a 1999 album by the Roman band La Locanda delle Fate, but as I say, Romans love a wolf. Man Is Wolf to Man (1999), a memoir by Janusz Bardach -- "as if written by a wolf". It is the motto of a family of werewolves in Terry Pratchett's The Fifth Elephant (1999). it is also the tiitle of Episode 14 of Season 1 of Law & Order: Criminal Intent. And it is also the title of a (unsurprisingly) Roman short movie directed by Matteo Rovere in 2006. The motto is seen on a wall of the Main Cell Block of the Penitentary in the video game Batman: Arkham Asylum (2009), if you're into that sort of thing. In part 6, chapter I of Wolf Hall (2009) by Hilary Mantel, Thomas Cromwell recalls the phrase whilst reflecting on the Duke of Norfolk's hounding of Cardinal Wolsey. The reference being pretty arcane. The character Hot Coldman has the phrase tattooed on the back of his head in the game Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (2010). The phrase is the title of an achievement in the Faction Pack DLC for Metro: Last Light (2013) It is best to analyse 'homo homini lupus' as a premise in Hobbes's moral theory, as is done in http://www.uri.edu/personal/szunjic/philos/leviathan.htm and appended below. Cheers, Speranza For Hobbes, the equality of rights arises from the equality of abilities, not the other way round: equal opportunities from the basic equality of rights. Premise (Anthropological realism) Humans are egoists who are relentlessly after their own goals. They aggressively pursue their ends. Saying: 'Man is a wolf to man.' (Homo homini lupus est.) Premise: Human individuals desire the same goods, which they cannot all enjoy as they are limited in number. Total gratification of desires is not possible because of the chronic scarcity of resources. Limited resources (a very modern idea) coupled with our selfish nature result in merciless competition. This generates a universal concern (anxiety) for subsistence. Assumptions 1. Selfish Nature. 2. Aggressive Instincts. 3. Limited Resources. Consequence: This situation creates mutual enmity (animosity). People view others as a threat or an obstacle in achieving their goals. The result is constant diffidence (= mistrust). Response: The ultimate stage in this development is that people endeavor to destroy or subdue each other. Equality of Aspiration Mutual Animosity Aggression and Destruction Expansion and Augmentation Men attack others for the sake of one of the three goals (or all of them): (a) conservation (self-preservation), (b) expansion (conquest), (c) delectation (joy of conflict). Strategies: What to do to safeguard one's possessions and secure safety? It seems that acting from anticipation and increasing the readiness are the most reasonable strategies. Therefore it should be allowed to everyone to act preemptively (from anticipation of threats) and to constantly increase power (arms-race) as both are the ways to secure conservation. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html