[lit-ideas] Re: Hitchens' Hypothetical Iraq War
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:22:15 -0500
I'm not sure if you're replying to me or to Eric. If you're replying to
me, then I was unclear. I was playing off the "could have". Meaning, one
doesn't go to war on a could have, would have, should have. One goes to
war on a certainty. Rephrasing it, since the key could have unlocked etc.,
it would be nice if the war was only a "could have been" as well. Thanks
for bringing it up. You make a good point about the sons. Saddam was a
tin pot dictator. If there was any connection with OBL, it was OBL
exploiting the neocon agenda and using it to drain us, exactly the way he
said he would. Eric will probably say that waiting for a certainty will be
too late. Well, we didn't wait, and here we are ...
Regarding the CIA, the CIA didn't even see the fall of the USSR coming, was
utterly clueless. *How* does an intelligence organization miss something
like that?
> [Original Message]
> From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 4/1/2006 7:49:49 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hitchens' Hypothetical Iraq War
>
>
> If Saddam and his sons were able to transport WMDs or
> nuclear material out of Iraq, why did not they
> transport themselves out of Iraq ? Why did they stay
> waiting to be killed in country villas or captured in
> villages ?
>
> O.K.
>
>
> --- Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > "the Iraqi physicist
> > explains that his nuclear stash was the key that
> > could have unlocked and restarted Saddam's
> > bombmaking program."
> >
> > Seems the logical response is, we could have started
> > a war over the key
> > that could have unlocked ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Eric <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: 4/1/2006 1:34:13 AM
> > > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hitchens' Hypothetical
> > Iraq War
> > >
> > > Here's some stuff from the gray edges...
> > >
> > > After he was captured by U.S. forces in Baghdad in
> >
> > > 2003, Dr. Mahdi Obeidi, who ran Saddam's nuclear
> > > centrifuge program until 1997, handed over
> > > blueprints for a nuclear centrifuge along with
> > > some actual centrifuge components, stored at his
> > > home -- buried in the front yard -- awaiting
> > > orders from Baghdad to proceed. He said, "I had to
> >
> > > maintain the program to the bitter end." In his
> > > book, "The Bomb in My Garden," the Iraqi physicist
> >
> > > explains that his nuclear stash was the key that
> > > could have unlocked and restarted Saddam's
> > > bombmaking program.
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> > >
> > >
> > > On February 12, 2006, former Pentagon investigator
> >
> > > Dave Gaubatz appeared on Fox News Channel and
> > > claimed he and fellow military investigators
> > > identified four underground bunkers with five foot
> >
> > > thick concrete walls in southern Iraq believed to
> > > hold WMD. Iraqi informants brought these sites to
> > > the attention of Gaubatz and his colleagues.
> > > Gaubatz claims that, for various reasons, these
> > > sites have never been inspected by the Iraq Survey
> >
> > > Group or the CIA. Gaubatz is making a plea the
> > > sites be inspected at this time because of the
> > > recent release of the Saddam Tapes. [63]
> > >
> >
> http://www.intelligencesummit.org/news/DaveGaubatz/Gaubatz021206.wmv
> > >
> > >
> > > On February 17-20, 2006, the Intelligence Summit
> > > aired 12 hours of translated Saddam Tapes at a
> > > conference outside of Washington, D.C. In one of
> > > the taped conversations an aide to Saddam Hussein
> > > asked "Where was the nuclear material transported
> > > to?" He answers his own question: "A number of
> > > them were transported out of Iraq." [64]
> > >
> >
> http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/776ykptd.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > The Washington Times editorialized on another
> > > moment caught on tape that revealed "Saddam was
> > > actively working on a plan to enrich uranium using
> >
> > > a technique known as plasma separation. This is
> > > particularly worrisome because of the date of the
> > > conversation: It took place in 2000, nearly five
> > > years after Iraq's nuclear programs were thought
> > > to have stopped." The Washington Times also noted
> > > that former Pentagon official John Shaw spoke at
> > > the conference about the role of Russian
> > > "spetsnaz," or special forces troops in the
> > > movement of WMD out of Iraq and into Syria and
> > > Lebanon. [65]
> > >
> >
> http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060219-092126-1788r.htm
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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