[lit-ideas] Re: Here's a new spin on preventative medicine

  • From: Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:21:53 -0700 (PDT)

Responding to Robert Paul first, if one says only statements, etc. exist in a 
true/false context, we eliminate a huge chunk of mindedness, i.e. nearly all of 
life.&nbsp; A tree has mindedness.&nbsp; It knows how to turn the sun into 
life,&nbsp;how to grow leaves, how to get water, and on and on.&nbsp; It lives 
in the same realm of electrical and chemical impulses and communication within 
itself and with its environment that we do, and every bit as sophisticated as 
we are.&nbsp; And it's far more intelligent, since it doesn't destroy the 
environment it lives in.&nbsp; To limit truth/falsity to concrete statements 
and concrete things is to&nbsp;say that humans are such a reduced species.
As far as&nbsp;VR, VR is electrical and chemical signals as well, only very 
primitive compared to life.&nbsp; And love needs to be defined, preferably 
obliterated from the language.&nbsp; Love&nbsp;causes so much trouble because 
it's&nbsp;about the lover, not the lovee.&nbsp;&nbsp;That's why it exists and 
doesn't exist at the same time.&nbsp; The chemicals and electrical signals are 
3D, concrete.&nbsp; What they produce is virtual reality.&nbsp; And to finish 
off, like is about the likee, the other guy, not the liker, the self.&nbsp; 
It's much more fun to be liked than to be loved.

--- On Sun, 6/1/08, David Wright &lt;wright@xxxxxxxx&gt; wrote:

From: David Wright &lt;wright@xxxxxxxx&gt;
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Here's a new spin on preventative medicine
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 12:01 AM

Actually, the perception is that VR exists.&nbsp; The program and equipment 
that generate the perception may exist, but the 'space' is mere illusion.&nbsp; 
And 'love', well in truth it's nought but the need, or perceieved need, for the 
person we think we love.&nbsp; It's a desperate cry for validation through 
reciprocal illusion.

Genuine love, if such a thing truly exists, is an appreciation of, or at least 
repect for, the entirety (the sum) of another's qualities, whether (personally 
- selfishly) desirable and undesirable.&nbsp; We shouldn't need another to love 
us, nor should we need them to behave in a fashion desirable to us, in order to 
feel that love.&nbsp; And hate, pfft, it's nought but the selfish side of the 
same coin.&nbsp; If end of the illusion causes us profound emotional pain, it 
is far simpler, though childishly unhealthy, to relegate a person's actions to 
the realm of despicability than to accept that we are equally as flawed...

flawed, but resisting admission,

What about virtual reality?&nbsp; It exists and doesn't exist at the same 
time.&nbsp; Therefore, it's true and false at the same time, no?&nbsp; Or since 
hate sometimes (often, really, it's all so unconscious) masquerades as love, 
love can be true and false at the same time too, no?&nbsp; For that matter the 
relativity of the word 'truth' can make it true and false at the same 

--- On Sat, 5/31/08, wokshevs@xxxxxx &lt;wokshevs@xxxxxx&gt; wrote:

From: wokshevs@xxxxxx &lt;wokshevs@xxxxxx&gt;
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Here's a new spin on preventative medicine
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Eric Yost" 
Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 5:04 PM

Quoting Eric Yost mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx&gt;:


&gt; Simultaneously true and false! 

But not in the same respect - as the Macedonian philosopher was wont to say. No
statement can be both true and false in the same sense, including this one. 

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