In a message dated 3/23/2015 9:58:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _jejunejesuit.geary2@gmail.com_ (mailto:jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx) writes: None of the biscuits, I am embarrassed to say, made it through to the logical end. I don't think you should be embarrassed. Actually, I think J. L. Austin was the one that was embarrassed when he thought that 'if' had a different _sense_ in: i. If you are hungry, there are biscuits in the cupboard. He said that to Hart -- never to Grice (fearing it might trigger the wrong implicature). As a result, Hart started using 'biscuit' conditionals, as he called them. R. E. Grandy, who knew Grice well, tried to justify Austin. Grandy offers the following analysis of a biscuit conditional. Conditionals generally in conversation are a type of peripheric speech-act called a "conditional assertion". For a sentence of the form "if p, q" one does not assert a new conditional proposition that has its own truth value. Rather, one conditionally asserts q, with p being its condition. If p is true, then one has "asserted" q, or is committed to "q" If p is false, then one has asserted nothing. Therefore, the truth value of the statement is the same as the truth value of q, if p is true; but if p is false, nothing was asserted. This analysis can explain the difference between what Grice calls an ordinary "indicative conditionals" and J. L. Austin's biscuit conditionals, while uniting both in a common analysis. On Grandy's account ("do not multiply senses of "if" beyond necessity") an ordinary conditional is stated on the warrant that the truth of q, conditional on p, is highly probable. J. L. Austin's biscuit conditional is stated on the warrant that the conversational relevance of q, conditional on p, is highly probable. We therefore might utter a biscuit conditionals in lieu of either silence (where we're certain enough of q's irrelevance to say nothing) and uttering q outright -- "There are biscuits in the cupboard"), where we're certain enough of q's relevance to say q) - that is, when we have enough of an inkling of q's relevance to bring it up, but not enough to commit ourselves to an assertion of q. But, as Geary notes, the issue is larger. For we are considering the METHODOLOGY of Philosophy in general and Legal Philosophy in particular. Instead of searching for a taxonomy for the different branches of philosophy we rest assured that, as long as we apply the right philosophical methodology, we can feel Hart is doing the right thing. Geary expands on this: "It is precisely that Common Methodological Approach to Philosophy which Speranza suggests as a means of studying Hart as pertains to the role that first principles play in his legal philosophy as promulgated and practiced by him. Indeed it is just such a Common Methodological Approach to Philosophy that I have been developing, ... and have finally completed. None of the biscuits, I am embarrassed to say, made it through to the logical end." Linguistic botany was, for Hart, the common methodological approach to ALL philosophy ("There is only one problem in philosophy, namely all of them"). It is best illustrated by Hart's distinction, not often made, between 'being obliged' and 'being obligated'. Hart's example involves a 'gunnman' and he uses that again Austin (by Austin I mean John Austin, not J. L. Austin), since Austin (John Austin) saw that 'oblige' was the key to the science of jurisprudence. The example, pretty convoluted, by John Austin, involves a gunman who, "at gunpoint", as Austin puts it, orders you to give him (the gunman) your wallet. As Hart notes, this can hardly lead us to the 'heart' of legality: Hart writes: "The gunman orders his victim to hand over his purse and threatens to shoot if he he refuses. If the victim complies we refer to the way in which he was forced to do so by saying that he was "obliged" [but never 'obligated'] to do so. To Austin it seemed clear that in this situation where one person gives another an order backed by threats, and, in this sense of "oblige", obliges [but does not obligate] him to comply, we have the essence of law, or at least 'the key to the science of jurisprudence', as he puts it." If that's not linguistic botany, Hart doesn't know what is! Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html