Jack writes, “A liberal democracy is about the people and making their lives better. If the people don't count, where is the democracy?” I was thinking that same thing in response to Judy’s praise of the laws that prevented the people from resisting Islamic immigration and the spread of Sharia Law. Now as to your quotes, I addressed that as far as I was able. Such matters have to do with “Capital” and we can only deal with the most heinous excesses after the fact. We would be controlled by “Robber Barons” were it not for the laws we created in the past to restrict their excesses. However, one must be careful with the restrictions we place on those who own the capital. We may complain about them as you are doing, but I am too much of a Stoic to do that. They are an intrinsic part of our Liberal Democracy – “Liberal” in the classical sense of the word, not in the modern sense that means Left-wing radical” – and as Fukuyama has argued, there is no system that is better, and no system out there that can challenge it. so you grumble to what end? Fukuyama following Kojeve, argued that Hegel was right after all. Marx turned Hegel on his head saying he was almost right in saying Capitalism would comprise the end of history, but Communism, not Capitalism, would do that. When all but the most radical saw the fall of the Soviet Union as the failure of Communism, Fukuyama wrote his book celebrating Hegel’s prescience. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Spratt Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:47 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Hard core ideology It's a wonder you don't call it conservative democracy the way you demonize liberals. Here's a link for what good citizens legal corporate persons are: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/04/06/90299/exxon-tax/ http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxon-walmart-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/12/us-usa-taxes-corporations-idUSN1249465620080812 You say throw the rascals out. How? Hank Paulson was from Goldman Sachs, and the rest of government are pedigreed from any corporation you want to name. The list is so long you couldn't even name all the corporations that have key positions in either the White House or in and out of that famed revolving door between government and business. Here's a link and it is in no complete: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Government-industry_revolving_door The banks were given taxpayer money by the banks, by Hank Paulson formerly of the most powerful investment bank on Wall Street. The most powerful investment bank on Wall Street ran the Treasury Department of the United States under George Bush. As insidious as any of the others is the Koch Brothers funding of the tea party. A coincidence that the Koch brothers own the highly polluting paper industry and EPA is being deregulated? And of course there's the grandaddy of them all, Social Security. The Republicans have had it in for Social Security since FDR implemented it and they are now beside themselves to get rid of it and other social programs. A liberal democracy is about the people and making their lives better. If the people don't count, where is the democracy? J.S.