[lit-ideas] Re: Gun control
- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:39:34 -0500
LH:
>>You aren't interested in controlling the Chos of the U.S. are you?
I'm very, very much in favor of having a society that is decent enough to care
for its mentally ill -- ours isn't -- but this discussion is about controlling
the possession of firearms for the benefit of the commonweal.
>>There are already laws on the books against the illegal use of guns
I'm aware of that. I want laws against the very ownership of guns.
>>There are laws against felons possessing guns. Does that stop felons from
>>possessing them? Of course not
Exactly. As long as anyone can have a gun -- guns will be available to all.
Lurker:
"Lower class - no effect - no way to pay anyway
"middle class - would ruin their life financially - forget about defending
yourself, can't afford it
"wealthy elite - who cares, they can afford private security
"super wealthy - can get away with anything as the fines are insignificant.
I fail to find the wisdom in what your lurker friend wrote. Lower class -- no
pay? then no stay a free man. Middle class -- goodbye lifestyle or goodbye
guns, their decision. Wealthy elite -- their security forces won't have guns
either, we'll all be in this together. Super wealthy -- what's the deal? Ship
the shits off to jail the second time around.
"Why do leftists always want to use capitalistic methods to establish control
over others?"
Your friend would rather we use weapons of mass destruction? Money is the only
thing that matters in this country, that's why. Money is even more important
than our brain-fevered gun fetish.
Basta! Zut! Enough! I just needed to remind Lawrence and others that not
everyone worships at the altar of the great god Gun. Go and have you fun, but
don't come crying to me when someone you love is killed by a crook or a friend
or a psychopath. And don't wring your hands over children killing children in
emulation of this gun-loving culture. What you sow...
Mike Geary
gunless 63 years now and have never felt the need to own one.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:07 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Gun control
Ah ha! I offered a readily accomplishable solution to the Chos: Make the
Police, Social Service, and Medical profession register them and let the gun
sellers have access to that data. But you don't really care about Cho, do
you? You are interested in pursuing your pacifistic fantasy.
. Does that stop criminals from using them? of course not.
.
As a lurker wisely said, "Hmmm....large fines for being caught with a gun:
I don't know, lurker. They have a skewed view of reality and have no
sanity-checks with which to judge it nor any logic with which to carry it out
to its ultimate consequences. They blather and whine, and if that was all they
did they would be no more of a nuisance than a car alarm that goes off and no
one pays attention to, but they sometimes make really stupid laws which make it
increasingly difficult to deal with one of the consequences of their ideology:
people like Cho.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, Apr-19-2007 9:35 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Gun control
How many times, Lawrence, has your house been broken into and you shot the
intruder? How many times have you saved your life or those of your loved ones
by brandishing your guns? We can get rid of the damn things. Every single one
of them. Make owning one so expensive no one can afford them. Melt then down
and build enormous statures to Gandhi and Martin Luther King. We don't let
people have bazookas or howitzers or rocket propelled granades -- some do, I
know -- why then do we allow any weapon that's made to kill? Hunters? No one
needs to hunt for their food anymore. It's insanity. It's a sickness. I'll
bet you'd get rid of your guns if there was a $50,000 penalty for each weapon
you're found with. 2nd offense, $50,000 plus 5 years in prison. The cost to
society is too damn high to allow people this fetish.
Mike Geary
if you think you need a gun, you need a psychiatrist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: Lit-Ideas
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Gun control
Are the British safe from violence as a result of their restrictive gun
laws? And if not utterly safe at least safer than citizens in the U.S.? It
wouldn't appear so to me after a brief Google search:
http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2007/01/crime-in-uk-versus-crime-in-us.html
Even if the numbers were comparable, and they don't seem to be, and you had
the same chance of being injured by violent crime whether or not you owned a
gun, it seems somewhat ingrained in the non-Europeanized portions of the U.S.
that it would be more honorable to go down fighting than to present one's neck
to the criminal like an obedient lamb.
Lawrence
ps:
I wonder about certain aspects of these statistics, e.g., if a criminal
breaks into my house and I shoot him, does that count as a violent crime? If
I kill him before he kills me, how does that show up in the statistics?
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