--- On Mon, 3/8/09, Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > I would have thought that the proletariat and the > bourgeoisie were two different species. He's hardly > advocating a revolution of the middle class—? Gee, it's been a long time since I studied this but my recollection is that on a strict Marxist analysis many of the positions/jobs that we might take to be middle-class and bourgeois (e.g. Professor, doctor, lawyer) are positions/jobs that put us in the proletariat: it is ownership of the means of production that, for the Marxist, puts one in the 'capitalist' or non-proletarian class (the non-owning managers who act on behalf of the owners are also in the proletariat). Both proletariat and capitalist are victims, in one form of the theory anyway, of the capitalist system - for the capitalist's room for manoeuvre is just as constrained by that system as are the actions of the proletariat (attempted defiance of these constraints will just ensure the capitalist is overtaken by rivals). The state is powerless to intervene to eliminate the excesses and injustices of capitalism which is an economic system upon which the state is erected and sustained; and so the system contains within it the seeds of its own destruction because its inability to reform itself portends a revolution that will destroy it. But obviously I need to check all this. Donal ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html