John Wager wrote: "... I can't for the life of me see what the real issue is in "saying" or "showing" something, at least in the abstract. Can somebody give me a real example of how this makes some difference in our lives?" I am sure someone will disagree with me, but this is my suggestion regarding the 'real issue' of the saying/showing distinction in Wittgenstein. In the Tractatus, at 3.221, Wittgenstein writes, 'A proposition can only say *how* a thing is, not *what* it is'. This is part of a larger discussion of the relationship between objects, their names, and propositions that use those names. The argument seems to be that a proposition, by virtue of having logical form, functions like a picture of a state of affairs that involves objects. However, while a proposition can say this state of affairs, it cannot at the same time, give the sense of itself. Or, as Wittgenstein puts it at 3.332, 'No proposition can say anything about itself, because the propositional sign cannot be contained in itself'. The sense of the proposition is therefore variable, depending on how this proposition and others like it, are used. The proposition gives a fixed picture, it says something, but it's sense or meaning cannot be similarly fixed, and therefore is shown. At 3.144, Wittgenstein writes, 'States of affairs can be described but not *named*. (Names resemble points; propositions resemble arrows, they have sense.)' I find this imagery helpful, that a proposition says something pointedly, but can only direct its meaning in a particular direction. It is maintaining this distinction, between what a proposition says about a particular state of affairs and what it means, that I think is important, not just in philosophy but in our daily lives. An example of this could be the (as I write) soon to be released decision by the U.S. Supreme Court regarding the Affordable Care Act. Whatever the decision, it will include the vote, which will probably be some variation of 5-4 or 6-3. This vote itself will be understood by many to have implications for understanding the decision, with the closer vote making the decision more controversial. The vote says something specific about what the judges did but it doesn't say anything about the significance of the vote total itself. What the vote means, well that is more like following a finger-post, where people turn to similar votes in the past as a guide to the significance of the vote for the future. The vote does not tell us what it means, it only says how things happened and shows us what it might mean. The same approach can be taken to the idea that the amount by which a presidential candidate wins an election somehow gives the candidate more or less of a mandate. However, it is important to distinguish between the state of affairs pictured in a vote tally, and the sense or meaning of this tally. There is oftentimes a confusion that associates the clarity of the picture given by a proposition with the sense of the proposition, so that scientific or logical propositions are, by virtue of their clarity, taken to have a sense or meaning that is similarly clear. It seems to me that Wittgenstein's say/show distinction can be helpful in many different situations in our lives as we consider the significance of facts in our lives. Sincerely, Phil Enns