[lit-ideas] Re: Grice's Realm
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
In a message dated 6/10/2013 5:20:36 P.M. UTC-02,
donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
the world of thoughts as opposed to world of sensations, or the world of
mind as opposed to the world of matter.
I see. Perhaps 'Reich', as used by Frege is _clearer_, but surely Popper
must have elaborated on his choice of 'Welt' (world).
Incidentally, the fact that Frege's _first realm_ is that of sense-data is
pretty crucial. For, indeed, for most empiricists, the very bridge from
sense-data talk (Frege's first realm) to 'material object' talk (physicalism,
Frege's second realm) is quite an adventure.
It should be pointed out that the three realms of Frege (or Popper)
incidentally may be illustrated by one single utterance as "Snow is white", or
as
I prefer, "The cat is on the mat".
For Frege is saying that there is a second realm (Popper's first world) of
'cats' and 'mats'. And then there's a first realm (according to Frege), or
Popper's second world, of people's BELIEFS on cats-on-mats. This provokes a
few confusions on most philosophers. For how is the concept 'material
object "cat"" CONSTRUCTED out of mere sense-data (of, allegedly, cats).
On top of that, Frege, and Popper, may want to say that the _content_ of a
belief, like "that-the-cat-is-on-the-mat" belongs in a different realm: a
_third_ realm of 'intersubjectively shareable' content or something. It is
not clear why Popper needs an objective realm when intersubjective seems to
do for _most_ (of my friends).
Cheers,
Speranza
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