In a message dated 6/16/2012 11:31:52 P.M. UTC-02, RichardHenninge@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: "it was at the great lecture given by Bultinek on Scalar Implicatures and Their Use in the Edjukayshun of Childers." Indeed. There are various issues involved with D. McEvoy's use of the 'number' example in Wittgenstein. In a previous post, McEvoy, quoting the link to the Stanford Encyclopedia entry on Wittgenstein on mathematics, suggested that perhaps this area would also shed light on the 'key tenet' (by which McEvoy means the thesis that the show/say distinction applies to both the TLP and the PI, as it is NOT commonly held; on the contrary, the tenet is regarded as being basic for the exegesis of TLP, only). To that effect, McEvoy quoted extensively and interestingly from a manual of the history of philosophy ("a sequel to Russell", the author -- Ayer -- pretentiously called it), whose chapter V is all about the latter Witters. This got me re-interested in such grand claims by Witters (or their negation -- it is never clear if Witters is _joking_ when he presents "The Philosopher" as providing such nonsensical claim for the only effect of him (Witters, in the role of the Non-Philosopher) refuting him ("The Philosopher"). Ayer made a couple of informal remarks about the difference between 'being shown numbers' and 'being shown building materials'. This is a bit vague, and in McEvoy's paraphrase we have phrases like, "being shown "three"", I think, versus "being shown "brick"". I refer to this: "being shown "brick"" which I think is McEvoy's phrase, not Ayer. For Ayer speaks of being shown building materials, whereas, in McEvoy's paraphrase, we are being shown the "word" "brick". This may serve as evidence that sometimes the untechnical uses of 'show' and 'say' are stretched by McEvoy to provide material for his interpretation about the 'key' tenet. But he makes interesting commentary on the need (or lack of it) for the provision of subscripts: in what way would showing-1 "three" differ from showing-2 "brick", and so on? Now, back to the Scalar Implicature, etc. As we know, Grice considers two quantifiers in "Logic and Conversation" (and more): (Ex) --- "some", "AT LEAST *ONE*. (ix) ----- "the" He is claiming that it is a commonplace in philosophical logic that there may be divergences between the formal device and the natural language counterpart -- and he intends to show the commonplace false -- resting on the mistake of ignoring the 'implicature'. We also see how Grice applies this notion for informal uses of "a" ("an"), which is an etymological variation of "one". From etymology online: "a": "indefinite article, mid-12c., a variation of O.E. "an" (see "an") in which the "-n-" began to disappear before consonants, a process mostly complete by mid-14c. The "-n-" also was retained before words beginning with a sounded -h- until c.1600; it still is retained by many writers before unaccented syllables in h- or (e)u-, but is now no longer normally spoken as such. The "-n-" also lingered (especially in southern England dialect) before -w- and -y- through 15c." "an" "indefinite article before words beginning with vowels, 12c., from O.E. "an" (with a long vowel) "ONE; lone," also used as a prefix "an-" "single, lone;" see "one" for the divergence of that word from this. Also see "a", of which this is the older, fuller form. In other European languages, identity between indefinite article and the word for "one" remains explicit (e.g. Fr. un, Ger. "ein", etc.) Old English got by without indefinite articles: "He was a good man" in Old English was "he wæs god man". Circa 15c., "a" and "an" commonly were written as one word with the following noun, which contributed to the confusion over how such words as "newt" and "umpire" ought to be divided (see N). In Shakespeare, etc., "an" sometimes is a contraction of "as if" (a usage first attested c.1300), especially before it. "one" "O.E. "an", from P.Gmc. *ainaz (cf. O.N. einn, Dan. een, O.Fris. an, Du. een, Ger. ein, Goth. ains), from PIE *oinos (cf. Gk. oinos "ace (on dice)," L. unus "one," O.Pers. aivam, O.C.S. -inu, ino-, Lith. vienas, O.Ir. oin, Breton un "one")." "Originally pronounced as it still is in "only", and in dial. "good 'un", "young 'un", etc.; the now-standard pronunciation "wun" began c.14c. in southwest and west England (Tyndale, a Gloucester man, spells it "won" in his Bible translation), and it began to be general 18c." "Use as indefinite pronoun influenced by unrelated Fr. on and L. homo. Slang one-arm bandit "a type of slot machine" is recorded by 1938." "One-night stand is 1880 in performance sense; 1963 in sexual sense." "One of the boys "ordinary amiable fellow" is from 1893. One-track mind is from 1927." ---- ---- Grice applies this to "one dog", "one woman", "one tortoise". His example: "Jones went into a house yesterday and found a tortoise inside the front door". It would be ridiculous to utter the above if the utterer means to communicate that Jones went to his OWN house, where he found, naturally, HIS OWN tortoise inside the front door. Grice writes: "I could produce similar linguistic phenomena involving the expressions "a garden", "a car", "a college", and so on." ---- Grice notes that the correlation (Ex)=1 sometimes gets disimplicated. "I broke a finger yesterday" (uttered by a nurse?) ("reverse implicature", Grice calls it). "I've been sitting in a car all morning" -- non-implicature. --- In any case, Grice allows for (Ex)=1 as the LOGICAL form and explain any divergence in terms of implicature. By doing this, he is allowing for a UNIFIED logicist programme, where we don't need to multiply the 'senses' of "(Ex)". The remedy by Witters would rather be that since there are multifarious uses of 'one', Frege's point about "(Ex)" is misguided and that we learn 'one' by showing ones. Hardly illuminating. Grice is not even considering Witters's criticism here, but one like Cohen, who proposes that 'one' has DIFFERENT senses: Jones is meeting a-1 woman this evening. Jones is meeting a-2 woman this evening. Grice's gloss: "the implicature seems to be that the afore-mentioned woman is NOT Jones's wife, mother, sister, or perhaps even close platonic friend" (WoW:37). Repugnance for rejection of the unified logicist programme has Grice uttering such genialities like: "I am inclined to think that ONE would NOT lend a sympathetic ear to a PHILOSOPHER who suggested that there are three SENSES of the exprssion "an x": ONE in which it means roughly 'something that satisfies the conditions defining the word x' [as in Witters, "Pass me one brick"], another in which it means approximately "an X (in the FIRST sense) that is ONLY REMOTELY related in a certain way to some person [or central individual] indicated by the context", and yet another in which it means "an X (in the FIRST sense) that is CLOSELY related in a certain way to some person [or central individual] indicated by the context." (WoW, 38) --- (I'm happy that B. B. focused his thesis on 'two' rather than 'one' (1,000 samples from the British National Corpus, for surely there is some sense (albeit confused) in Aristotle when he says that '1' is NO number -- but a monas, rather, an unity -- not an arithmos). No. Indeed, one would not lend a sympathetic ear -- or if I did, I would ask my sympathetic ear to be RETURNED --. Especially when the implicature account -- explaining each breach of (Ex)=/=1 as a flouting of a conversational maxim -- is so ready "at hand". And so on. Finally, in any case, it may do to revise in what way the logicist programme (McEvoy thinks Witters is opposing it, and Grice defending it) brought in by Frege, Russell, and alas, the early Witters wins the day. One thing to consider is that 'x', 'y', 'z', etc. as used by Frege for variables must then belong to what the linguists call countable or "non-mass" nouns. "Sugar is sweet" then would imply some modification in terms of logical form (x)S1x --> S2x sounds a bit odd if we consider that the use of quantifiers must allow for things like "a sugar". Surely, the statement to consider would be: "Some sugar is black". (Ex)Sx & Bx If we use Grice's table above, we indeed have: "At least one sugar is black". ----- Personally, I don't have a (one) problem with that, but my aunt may. Philosophically more important, it may relate to Ayer's bricks and three. For if we use Aristotle's, and indeed Strawson's, individuation principle (Strawson in "Individuals: an essay in descriptive metaphysics" -- something like Grice's bible) and Socrates is approaching, we may be able to say: Three individuals are approaching. What d'you mean? Well: Socrates, Socrates's nose, and Socrates's left toe. --- Indeed, if an individual (referent of a nonmass countable noun) is a spatio-temporal continuant, such nonsense as "Three individuals are approaching" when Socrates is approaching should be licensed by logic. So, it may seem that indeed Ayer is right and it's BRICKS that are basic, qua building material, rather than 'three'. Ayer and Witters and Grice agree that there is NO 'object' (to use Witters's vague notion) of a mathematical kind that the number word "three" refers to (Witters uses the neutral Bedeutung here, which translates as "reference" rather than "Sense" (Sinn), contra the Stanford Entry). But there is still a difference between the ROLE of 'three' in "Three bricks" and the role of "yellow" in "three yellow bricks". For, again, 'yellow' shares some similarities with 'three', in that it can confuse. To use the example in the Stanford entry for Mathematics in Aristotle: There are three black cows in the field. No problem with 'cow' and its relevance to (Ex): "at least one cow?". "No, not at least one cow; I said _three_." I.e. the quantifier applies strictly to the predicate "C": (Ex3)Cx & Bx Note that we have done without the otiose 'three' qua adjective having incorporated the numeral ONTO the quantifier. But we still have to deal with the predicate "B" as opposed to "C" (black versus cow). Now, in SECOND-ORDER predicate logic, indeed "black" may become a COUNTABLE, non-mass noun. To consider Grice's example, in examining ties for a possible purchase: "Two people are considering the purchase of a tie which of them know to be medium green; they look at it in different lights, and say such things as "It is a light green now", or "It has a touch of blue in it in this light"" (He is considering the disimplicature of 'is'). (WoW 44). But to reuse his example: "a light green" "a medium green" are phrases which seem to allow for the formalisation (Ex)Gx i.e. while it is the TIE that is medium green or light green (as the case may be), we have ways (in higher-orders of the predicate calculus) to turn the utterance to be ABOUT the colour word itself, as when we say that "Medium Green is Mary's favourite colour" -- The use of this type of statement strictly requires a reduction in terms of first-order: for any x that May happens to see, Mary would rather like to see x as Medium Green" (Cfr. "Sincerity is a virtue"). --- So, I would think that, no, the philosophy of mathematics does not really give much support to the key tenet, anyway, since any serious philosopher bringing in number words would require an expansion as to the logical form. And this is particularly evident in any discussion of the "KEY tenet", for if the TLP is good about one thing is those statements as the ones I quoted from: _http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/wittgenstein/section1.rhtml_ (http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/wittgenstein/section1.rhtml) "Wittgenstein draws an important distinction between saying and showing." -- this distinction does not seem to have a base in Graeco-Roman philosophy. The Latin concept of 'dictiveness', for the 'sayable' may apply. But it is more controversial to look for a Graeco-Roman equivalent to 'show': De-MONSTRATIO a good candidate, if not perfect. "While a proposition *says* that such-and-such fact is the case, it *shows* the logical form by virtue of which this fact is the case." --- "The upshot of this distinction is that we can only say things about facts in the world; logical form cannot be spoken about, only shown." "Because logical form shows itself and cannot be spoken about, there is no need for the so-called logical objects, the connecting glue between different propositions that plays a central role in the logic of Frege and Russell." "Wittgenstein asserts that most philosophical confusion arises from trying to speak about things that can only be shown." ---- NOTE that while 'show/say' were never technical words in the philosophical lexicon (contra Witters), Witters is not just using these neologisms (in the lexicon) in ANY way, but connecting them with technical notions in the logicist programme, such as 'logical form'. What an expression SAYS, its logical form, what it shows, and so on. If Witters changed his mind completely and turned into a constructivist and generally sceptical sort of fellow, and very "anti-philosophical" in his views, it's Witters's loss. Those who still look for philosophy will know that simplifications uttered by Witters with the only purpose of fascinate his students (he was a tutor at heart) need not fascinate those who are not (his students). Or something. Cheers. Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html