Walter writes: “That I engaged in s-o-h is an allegation made by Donal, not you. Sorry for not being clear.” But is it correct that Donal made “an allegation” that Walter “engaged in s-o-h”? If not, Walter should perhaps be sorry for this suggestion (or indeed “allegation”) - made after I already posted how my use of ‘s-o-h’ is not ad hominem but rather addresses the deceptive character of a fallacious comparison/argument. Donal had commented "There is a kind of sleight-of-hand in the comparison between being courageous and knowing how to tie one's laces." This comment does not mention Walter, and it does not mention anything Walter or anybody is “engaged in”. It falls miles away from alleging that Walter has deliberately or intentionally “engaged in” s-o-h. Yet some might say that the implicature of Walter’s “engaged in s-o-h” is that the person deliberately or intentionally “engaged in s-o-h”. Given such an implicature, then Walter uses language that implies (whether deliberately or intentionally on Walter’s part I know not) that Donal makes the allegation that Walter has deliberately or intentionally set out to deceive. But this does not follow, neither inevitably nor by probability, from the comment that "There is a kind of sleight-of-hand in the comparison between being courageous and knowing how to tie one's laces." Walter has treated that comment as an ad hominem, even as a mere ad hominem, when there is a perfectly obvious way of treating it as not ad hominem at all – especially as the comment itself is expressed entirely in non-ad hominem rather ad hominem terms i.e. it refers to a “kind of” s-o-h in a “comparison” and not to any human and what they are alleged to be “engaged in”. This comment about a “kind of” s-o-h “in the comparison” was preface to my making a number of points about the limitations of the comparison as some kind of argument. Again none of those points and limitations dragged in “Walter” or dragged in what Walter was “engaged in”. Again those points and limitations concerned the argument and were not concerned with ad hominem. For example, Walter made the point that knowledge is not adequate to give a person courage, and I made the point that knowledge is not adequate to give one the ability to tie laces either – so Walter’s “comparison” or contrast between ‘having courage’ and tying laces (or “shoes” if Walter prefers) does not ground any valid argument to distinguish the two cases in this regard. There is nothing ad hominem about this point. That point is one of many points made in my post that Walter does nothing to engage because he has ‘ad hominised’ the post: taking what were points against his argument as some kind of personal attack on his integrity. Two or more can play at this ‘ad hominising’ game, which is a very easy game to play, as may be shown as follows. We could treat Walter’s post not as a genuinely felt complaint based on a misplaced sense of personal affront but as a mere ad hominem against Donal: the mere ad hominem being that Donal is the kind of person who posts purely personal attacks of a merely ad hominem type and actually raises no points that concern the arguments on the table. This mere ad hominem interpretation by Walter thus enables Walter to evade the substantive points made in Donal’s post, for example that knowledge is not adequate to give one the ability to tie laces anymore than it is adequate to give one courage. In particular, this ‘ad hominising’ interpretation by Walter means Walter need not engage what is perhaps the most important point in Donal’s post – that a ‘folk psychology’ approach to knowledge is inadequate and flawed. Do I think Walter is deliberately and intentionally “engaged in” mere ad hominem of this sort against Donal? No, I think Walter is genuinely and personally affronted – and that this may have been, in part, sparked by the use of the expression “sleight-of-hand”. But is Walter is justified in this sense of personal affront? No more justified than it is justified to move from the comment "There is a kind of sleight-of-hand in the comparison between being courageous and knowing how to tie one's laces" to the conclusion that the person putting forward the comparison is deliberately or intentionally setting out to deceive. And this is no more justified than moving from “There is a kind of sleight-of-hand in Descartes’ cogito” to the conclusion that Descartes put forward his cogito in a deliberate attempt to deceive. No more justified than moving from Wittgenstein’s comment about “the decisive step in the conjuring-trick has been made” to the conclusion that Wittgenstein thinks philosophers deliberately set out to deceive. No more justified than moving from “There is sleight-of-hand in the use of “is” here as it varies between the “is” of identity and the “is” of predication” to the conclusion that the variable sense of “is” is part of some deliberate attempt to deceive. If Walter is not justified in moving from "There is a kind of sleight-of-hand in the comparison between being courageous and knowing how to tie one's laces" to “That I engaged in s-o-h is an allegation made by Donal”, then perhaps Walter should retract that last statement – or at least not repeat it as if it is a straightforward statement of fact. My previous post, addressing Walter’s ad hominising interpretation of the s-o-h comment, advised: “People should beware treating a non-ad hominem argument as an ad hominem argument: it is easy to do so, but it means discussion in non-ad hominem terms is impeded.” There is not only the danger of impeding discussion:- beyond a point such ad hominising interpretation itself risks being regarded as deliberate and intentional misrepresentation of an ad hominising sort. Donal On Wednesday, 8 January 2014, 11:00, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: This is a test post entirely. D On Tuesday, 7 January 2014, 23:19, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote: In a message dated 1/7/2014 4:01:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx writes: Hm... so there are nouns that denote things and adjectives that denote properties of things... and nouns can be concrete or abstract... I seem to remember being taught something very similar to this in the lower grades of the elementary, only my elementary teacher did not present it as a metaphysical theory. :) Well, yes. I suppose the idea was the same when Dionisio (was that his name?) thought of writing the first 'grammar' (folk grammar, as Donal McEvoy would qualify?) and revised Aristotle. Grammar is a branch of philosophy! The mediaevals (as Geary calls them, as implicating they KNEW it) called theirselves 'modistae': abstractum/concetrum, etc. are indeed metaphysical (or ontological as I prefer) distinctions which are verbal in origin. Aristotle was a good one in MULTIPLYING 'partes orationis'. Think that during Plato's time, there was only noun and verb! Below is an expansion on Lowe, with thanks to Robin Hendry and Matthew Ratcliffe. E. Jonathan Lowe was born in Dover, England, on 24th March 1950, and died on January 5th 2014. E. Paul Grice was born in Harborne, Warwickshire in 1913 and died in 1988. Lowe went to Cambridge to read Natural Sciences in 1968. Grice didn't. However, Lowe changed to History after one year and was awarded a BA (first class) in 1971. This was a good thing, in the words of Sellars and Yeatman. After that, Lowe switched, again, to Philosophy and moved, rightly, to Oxford, where he was awarded his BPhil and DPhil degrees in 1974 and 1975, supervised by the Australian-born philosopher Romano Harré and Simon W. Blackburn -- formerly of Pembroke -- respectively. Blackburn was at the time obsessed with Grice (or wasn't). His "Spreading the word: groundings in the philosophy of language" has an excellent full chapter on Grice. Blackburn is aware of the first and secondary Griceian bibliography, and has a good sense of humour to boot. After a brief period teaching at Reading, Lowe joins the Department of Philosophy at Durham (in Durhamshire, as Speranza likes to say) in 1980, where he stayed for the rest of his career. This was an excellent choice, since Durhamshire is one of the most picturesque, and most English, of England's shires. Lowe was promoted to Senior Lecturer in 1990 and to Reader in 1992. Finally, he was promoted to Full Professor in 1995. Grice's career was similar. After his BA and MA (he never earned a DPhil), Oxon., he taught for a year ("or two" as he liked to say, merely implicaturishly) at Rossall, in the North of Watford, he went back to Oxford for what people thought would be "the rest of his career". Unexpectedly, though, he was offered the William James Lectureships in Harvard in 1967, when he took the occasion to find the right house to buy (of all places) up the Berkeley hills, in Berkeley. He was promoted instantly to Full Professor of Philosophy in 1968, and taught ONLY graduate courses. During Lowe's time at Durham, Lowe established himself as one of the world’ s leading philosophers, publishing twelve single-authored books, four co-edited collections and well over 200 articles in journals and edited volumes. On the other hand, Grice published preciously little. He was fond of his 'unpublications', though, which, "by far exceed the number of my publications". Grice died in 1988. His first book came out in 1989. One in 1991 and another in 2001 'soon' followed. ("What _is_ the implicature of 'soon'?") We may need a checklist of Lowe's output. And a cross-reference: Lowe and Grice. Keywords: H. P. Grice, E. J. Lowe. Lowe's scholarship was strikingly broad, ranging from Early Modern Philosophy through to the interpretation of quantum mechanics. Grice especialised in Kantotle and dismissed Russell's mot on stone-age metaphysics -- "stone-age physics, and proud of it!" he would claim. Lowe's most important and sustained contributions were to philosophy of mind, philosophical logic and especially metaphysics. Grice's most important contribution was his self, too! (Although dictionary entries 'explicate': philosophy of language). Lowe adopts what he called a "realist" conception of metaphysics as an autonomous discipline concerned with the fundamental structure of reality, as exemplified by his important book "The Possibility of Metaphysics" (Oxford University Press, 1998). On the other hand, Grice's main early contribution to metaphysics was via the tutorials and joint seminars with his student P. F. Strawson. Grice would note a few reflection owed to himself in Strawson's "Individuals: an essay in descriptive metaphysics". Lowe's "Possibility of Metaphysics" may be a rejoinder to Strawson's neo-Kantian negation of it in "The bounds of sense" -- an essay on Kant's very rejection of the "Possibility of Metaphysics", as Lowe entitles his essay. Popper possibly also was irrirated when people identified him as 'rejecting the possibility of metaphysics' (alla Vienna Circle). So Lowe's essay is _topical_! Metaphysics, Lowe maintains, should take common sense as its starting point -- what Grice calls 'folksy' -- but cfr. Donal McEvoy's for arguments that what folks say is never "'nuff" (I use my own dialect there: _love_ "'nuff") while at the same time acknowledging that aspects of common sense will need to be revised or abandoned. This second bit is controversial: when do (the folks) find out that the folks are wrong? (especially in abstract areas like metaphysics?) Metaphysics, Lowe adds, should also retain a healthy respect for science but at the same time resist what after Grice we may call the Devil of Scientism. The role of metaphysics, after all, is to illuminate features of reality that empirical scientific enquiry inevitably presupposes (in Collingwood's use of the term, discussed by Grice/Strawson/Pears in their seminal "Metaphysics" in Pears, "The nature of metaphysics" -- originally BBC Third programme lectures, 1957 -- cf. Helm, this forum, for an expansion on the concept. Metaphysics (in both its variants, Ontology and Eschatology [the theory of category barriers and transcategorial epithets], then -- to use Griceian parlance) is therefore the most fundamental form of enquiry and - as Lowe also emphasises – something that is extremely difficult to do -- as opposed to 'gardening', or merely 'linguistic botany' of this or that sort. But, Lowe insists, there are no cheap short-cuts, and no piece-meal solutions to metaphysical problems. Metaphysics is to be done systematically and patiently, as Aristotle did. Lowe’s approach drew inspiration, if not from Kantotle (as Grice's did), from Aristotle and the brilliant English philosopher Locke, amongst others, both of whom retained a foothold in common sense. Locke was obsessed with the corpuscular theory of vision, and his metaphysics is empiricist. Romano Harré possibly was influential here. Madden and Harré, after all, think that Locke and Hume, into the bargain, are WRONG and that empiricist metaphysics is a no-no (vide "Causal Powers"). Lowe was interested in Locke's discussion of a 'kind' and a natural kind in particular, also Locke's philosophy of colour. Lowe's metaphysical writings addressed a range of themes, including: -- volition (and since we were discussing with Donal, Omar, and Walter 'to know' as 'to believe' (truly and in a justified way, we may want to approach 'want' -- or not. -- personhood -- cfr. Grice, "Personal identity", Mind, 1941. Cfr. Parfit. -- agency -- cfr. Grice, "Actions and Events", Pacific Philosophical Quarterly, 1986. -- mental causation. A topic that Donal McEvoy has approached in this forum vis–à–vis Popper's 'interactionism'. -- identity -- cfr. the Grice-Myro of relative identity. Also Geach. -- truth (as in Ramsey's redundancy theory of truth: "To say that I believe it is raining, and to say that I believe it is true that is raining are the same thing"). -- essentialism and -- most notably, ontological categories. In recent years, one of Lowe's many notable achievements was the formulation of a new ‘four-category ontology’, which he proposed as a metaphysical foundation for all empirical scientific thought. These four categories should NOT be confused with Grice's four categories (conversational categories, echoing Kant: quantitas-qualitas-relatio-modus), although there ARE connections: Kant hoped to reduce Aristotle's ten categories to four, and Lowe ends up with the same mathematical result. One of Lowe's brilliant examples involved the distinction between 'red' and 'apple' in 'red apple'. This distinction allows for the categories being _four_. It is based on the grammar of English, rather than, perhaps, Greek! -- but as Omar K. points out, it is in the very structure of the teaching of grammar even if grammarians are sometimes not clear as to the metaphysical bases for their claims. (Was Dionisio?) The most detailed account of this appears in Lowe's essay, "The Four-Category Ontology" (properly published with Oxford University Press, 2006). Throughout his life, Lowe was guided by a kind of faith in our ability to discover the fundamental structure of reality through metaphysical thought. This was a good thing. Lowe was spurred on by a constant sense of puzzlement, fascination and bewilderment at the existence and nature of reality, and would not let extraneous considerations distract him from a resolute search for truth. And so was Grice. Cheers, Speranza Lowe writes: "We should gravitate towards the fourth system of ontology identified earlier, the system which acknowledges three distinct ontological categories as being fundamental and indispensable — the category of objects, or individual substances; the category of universals; and the category of tropes, or, as I shall henceforth prefer to call them, modes. It is then but a short step to my own variant of this system, which distinguishes between two fundamental categories of universal, one whose instances are objects and the other whose instances are modes. ... This distinction is mirrored in language by the distinction between sortal and adjectival general terms — that is, between such general terms as 'planet' and 'flower' on the one hand and such general terms as 'red' and 'round' on the other. ... The former denote kinds of object, while the latter denote properties of objects. ... The four-category ontology ...provides, I believe, a uniquely satisfactory metaphysical foundation for natural science." ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html