I don't know what poetry you're talking about. Maybe each poem needs to have a user's manual appended to it? You call it pessimism. I call it realism. They invaded Iraq looking at the bright side. Is there no object lesson in that of the hazards of not looking at reality? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/28/2006 1:21:16 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Great Lakes machine guns raise ire in Canada No, no, no, Irene. You can?t say that about Mike?s poetry. You can?t reduce it to prose and say the poetic lines ?I don?t know and I don?t care? mean merely ?I don?t know and I don?t care? in prose. That isn?t the way you read a poem. Actually you can?t read tropes that way either. So, suspend disbelief and ask what Mike means. He has written you this poem. Arise and leave your pessimism. It isn?t good for you. Quit caring about such negative matters. The world is full of good things. Think upon those things. You are harming yourself with such negativity. Lawrence