Geary: "But what about verb words that are not gerunds? Is the noun 'hit' derived from a once metaphorical use of the verb 'hit'? and what of 'kick' and 'run' and 'balk' and 'bother' and 'stroll' -- were they originally nouns or verbs?" Geary is against trying to impose his Aristotelian logic to the conceptions of a Cave Woman. In the beginning was the illiterate word, "Kick". At that time, the cave woman brain needs not process that as either a verb or a noun. All she does is form a 'mental' image of an abstract network of connections that apply both to 'a kick' and the 'kicking'. Note that there cannot be a kick without kicking or kicking without a kick. (The same for sh*t, incidentally and for all the other verbs and nouns, as I can gather) J. L. Speranza, Esq. Town: Calle Arenales 2021, Piso 5, St. 8, La Recoleta C1124AAE, Buenos Aires, Argentina. Tel. 54 11 4824 4253 Fax 54 221 425 9205 Country: St. Michael Hall, Calle 58, No. 611, La Plata B1900 BPY Provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Tel. 54 221 425 7817 Fax 54 221 425 9205 http://www.stmichaels.com.ar jls@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx jlsperanza@xxxxxxx http://www.netverk/~jls.htm ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com