Re: Would some kind Germanic soul please tell me what geschichtsklitternd means? It is difficult to give a definition without knowing context, but I believe that the following is reasonably accurate. The noun 'Geschicht' (in this case) means 'history', the verb 'klittern' means 'to concoct'; a 'Geschichtsklitterung' is a(n) 'historical misrepresentation'. So the adjective 'geshichtsklitternd' is far stronger than 'contentious' (German: 'umstritten'). Example: David Irving's fabrications regarding the Holocaust are not merely 'umstritten' (contentious); they are 'geschichtsklitternd'. [He is welcome to try to sue me for making such a remark; we all know the results from his last attempt to sue someone over such a claim.] When I asked my resident German expert for another example of an adjective ending in 'nd' she offered (without any idea of the context) 'abfuhrend' (roughly: 'having a laxative effect'). I suppose that one must retain an 'open mind' concerning historical accounts which are 'umstritten'; about accounts such as Irving's which are most decidedly 'geschichtsklitternd' one can retain an 'open mind' only in the following sense: ... an open mind, to be sure, should be open at both ends, like the foodpipe, and have a capacity for excretion as well as intake. - Northrop Frye , _ The Great Code_ Chris Bruce Kiel, Germany -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html