Oops. Sorry the previous sent by mistake. In a message dated 9/22/2009 5:28:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jlsperanza writes: In a message dated 9/22/2009 12:32:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Even such supposedly pure vorhanden relations as sexuality have become zuhanden for many of us -- not me, of course. ----- Hence the dilldo, which as Ritchie knows, it's Scots for dill-do. Or, as Judy Evans would say, flashlight! Geary will say that sex is not really 'rational'. The idea that one needs or intends to f*ck someone is, and hence the means to accomplish the goal. Geary will argue that a vixen does not reason when she f*cks the fox, but then, as Heidegger notes, foxes don't have 'hands' (vorhanden, zuhanden), only paws. Heidegger is the only animal who has hands. JLS