[lit-ideas] Re: Geary on Instrumental Technological Rationality
- From: "Walter C. Okshevsky" <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:00:02 -0230
And it definitely took Heidegger alot of thinging to write *What is a thing?*
Messin' with Geary's conventional onto-theological categories of thinking,
Walter O. (still sort a' on vacation .... until somebody notices. No Margaret
Wente, I don't like sherry.)
Quoting Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi, JL, good to see you're still operating. I used to date a woman named
> Lucia, who was named after the Opera, but she couldn't sing worth a damn.
> She was good on the piano though. Even made he livelihood teaching piano.
> She was much more Mozart than Beethoven, while I've always been more "dum
> dum dum dum" -- but, following after Beethoven, Lucia's mostly deaf now,
> still teaches piano though. I guess she just watches the kids' fingering.
>
> Funny thing is that you of all people would object to thingism when all your
>
> music is thinged to you. There's almost nothing we experience in our lives
> that's not through the agency of thingery -- except when we have
> transcendental thoughts, of course -- Walter must be proud! Of course once
> the sound waves hit your ear drums and make it to your brain, well then,
> it's no thingamaging then, that's purely you youing patterns of sound into
> you-meaningfulness. That's were the magic of being a human being begins.
> Thinging -- technology -- means that you don't have to be a European
> aristocrat to hear the most beautiful music that we humans have been able
> to produce to date (there's more to come). Thinking is thinging when you
> turn your mind over to knowing a thing inside out. Doctors thing us. I
> thing certain machines. Doctors make a lot more money. : )
>
> Mike Geary
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:32 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Geary on Instrumental Technological Rationality
>
>
> > Thank you, John. In fear of waking Palma, I dare say that Heidegger
> > distinguished between zuhanden and vorhanden as the two forms of beings.
> > Vorhanden being nature made, and simply put "there' for us as Oakland is
> > not. Zuhanden being being of human artifact, or THING BEING, or that
> > which we relate to not as "being there" but being puposeful to us. Most
> > animals, except humans, seem to spend most of their lives relating to
> > vorhanden being. Except domestic pets, of course, who in deference to us
> > acknowledge such frivilous beinghoodness as zuhandenness and sometimes use
>
> > a litterbox. Human life on the whole is zuhanden-engaged. Even such
> > supposedly pure vorhanden relations as sexuality have become zuhanden for
> > many of us -- not me, of course. Our human lives are so thoroughly
> > immersed in zuhanden that we think of our thing-engaged lives as
> > "natural". Anyone who's had more than one course in Heiddegger will no
> > doubt straighten me out, but I don't care. Human culture is aesthetic,
> > philosophic and technological. We thing the world every bit as much if
> > not more than we think it or dream it. Life is a hoot.
> >
> >
> > Mike Geary
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Wager" <jwager@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:37 PM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Geary on Instrumental Technological Rationality
> >
> >
> >> jlsperanza@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >>> This is important. I cannot conceive of a human being (not a thing,
> >>> really) just thinging. Take an Air Conditioner Repair Man (or Person).
> >>> Surely he needs permission (by a nonthing = person) to get in, and he´ll
>
> >>> need the payment from the person (not thing).
> >>
> >> Both the Buddhists and the Kantians might say that we "thing." We create
> >> the appearance of a "thing" where none existed; without people there
> >> would be no "things" at all. The forms of apperception (or the law of
> >> dependent origination) require that we notice that the process of
> >> "thinging" be a human one, not one in the outside (noumenal) world.
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