I read the article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/magazine/neo.html?_r=1 <http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/magazine/neo.html?_r=1&oref=login&pagewan t> &oref=login&pagewant ) from which you quote, Omar. I was very attracted to Fukuyama?s thesis after reading The End of History and the Last Man several years ago, but right after that I read Samuel P. Huntington?s Clash of Civilizations and decided to keep both ideas in suspension to see which one panned out. Thus far Huntington is in the lead. I never got caught up in the issues Fukuyama describes in his article. I don?t see Iraq as a Neocon experiment. We were going to remove Saddam?s regime and had to substitute something. Perhaps the Neocons influenced that, but Iraq wasn?t a Neocon project. Fukuyama reminds me of Kenneth Pollack and Sandra Mackey who wrote powerful books about why we should get rid of Saddam Hussein, but when Bush went ahead and did it, they didn?t like it anymore. Fukuyama argued that Liberal-Democracy would comprise the end of history. I?ll admit he wasn?t an activist about his theory and the Neocons were, but how do you distance yourself from someone who agrees with you and actively wants to foster your theory? The current head of the Pasdaran (Iran?s Revolutionary Guard) is very much afraid of what is going on next door in Iraq. If democracy succeeds over there, it may spread, he said, and he?s worried. Iran has been busy since their revolution in 1979 exporting their Revolution. Khomeini died in 1989 but Rafsanjani and some others continued with his vision, that of a pan-Islamic empire with Iran at its head. Iran has been exporting its Revolution as much as it has been able. It exported it into Lebanon, into the Central Asian States, and its attempts at exporting it into Iraq were among the elements that precipitated the Iran/Iraq war. The war against Militant Islam isn?t one we can sit out. Isolationism isn?t an option. If we could turn back time and not invade Iraq, that might only make things worse because it would make it easier for Iran to dominate the region. I see Fukuyama as distancing himself from his own term, ?Liberal-Democracy,? and saying he really meant ?Modernism.? Fukuyama?s index has a great number of references and subheadings under ?Liberal Democracy.? ?Modernism? doesn?t appear in his index. Also, Fukuyama agreed with Alexandre Kojeve?s belief that Hegel was right after all and that Capitalism represents the end of history. We are to understand Capitalism in its modern sense, Liberal Democracy. And where does Fukuyama get his information that the war in Iraq is a failure? Those who attempt to quantify (I?m not referring to lurid Main-Stream Media reporting) the successes and failures come up with a different result than Fukuyma does. Consider a current article from one of Fukuyama?s former compatriots from American Enterprise Online: http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18977/article_detail.asp . I suspect that American Enterprise is too Neocon for Fukuyama now, and he probably hasn?t read it, but it corresponds with other reports I have read. The war in Iraq is progressing very well, much better than other wars we?ve fought. Since I don?t read the NYT or The Washington Post I am not familiar with the colossal failures he refers to. It is true that it is too soon to declare it a complete success as Zinsmister says, but there are no grounds for calling the war in Iraq a failure. I am reading The Losing battle with Islam by David Selbourne. He devotes his first chapter to defining the nature of the war we are in. We don?t have the option of sitting it out. Fundamentalist Islamists have declared war against us and have the will to continue to attack us whether we fight back or not. In view of the nature of this war and how many nations are marshaled against us, looking at the Middle East as a Battle Field, it seems a stroke of brilliance to take the most strategic land mass (Iraq) away from the enemy. We have been warned that the attack against Iraq will only increase the foe, but I haven?t seen any evidence of that; quite the contrary. Zinsmister has some statistics showing a decrease in Islamist support. Other things I?ve read indicate a decrease in support for Al Quaeda. Iran is critical right now, but their economy is in shambles. There may be several ways to effect a regime change. If they do get some nuclear weapons they may try a little blackmail and there are elements in Iran that would use such weapons, but our heart still isn?t in this war and it might take something cataclysmic to get our attention. Fukuyama invokes the world as a judge against our so-called Neocon enterprise, but who is this world? Is it the Islamists who have a vested interest in our defeat? Is it such nations as China, France, Germany and Russia who were in bed with Saddam and were supplying him with weapons and enriching themselves with is oil? Who did I leave out? Oh yes, the Eastern Europeans, Japan and some other nations like Denmark, but they support us. I don?t follow Fukuyama?s argument in blaming the U.S. policy of Democracy for the victory of Hamas in Palestine. I thought that was another case of throwing a corrupt regime out and making a mistake in the process, much as happened in Afghanistan and Iran. I guess Fukuyama has a right to badmouth the Neocons if anyone does, but I don?t think the Bush Foreign policy is a mistake. The most potent nation at war against us is Iran and they fear what we?ve done and are doing in Iraq. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:01 AM To: polidea@xxxxxxxxxx Cc: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Fukyama on Neoconservatism I have numerous affiliations with the different strands of the neoconservative movement. I was a student of Strauss's protégé Allan Bloom, who wrote the bestseller "The Closing of the American Mind"; worked at Rand and with Wohlstetter on Persian Gulf issues; and worked also on two occasions for Wolfowitz. Many people have also interpreted my book "The End of History and the Last Man" (1992) as a neoconservative tract, one that argued in favor of the view that there is a universal hunger for liberty in all people that will inevitably lead them to liberal democracy, and that we are living in the midst of an accelerating, transnational movement in favor of that liberal democracy. This is a misreading of the argument. "The End of History" is in the end an argument about modernization. What is initially universal is not the desire for liberal democracy but rather the desire to live in a modern ? that is, technologically advanced and prosperous ? society, which, if satisfied, tends to drive demands for political participation. Liberal democracy is one of the byproducts of this modernization process, something that becomes a universal aspiration only in the course of historical time. "The End of History," in other words, presented a kind of Marxist argument for the existence of a long-term process of social evolution, but one that terminates in liberal democracy rather than communism. In the formulation of the scholar Ken Jowitt, the neoconservative position articulated by people like Kristol and Kagan was, by contrast, Leninist; they believed that history can be pushed along with the right application of power and will. Leninism was a tragedy in its Bolshevik version, and it has returned as farce when practiced by the United States. Neoconservatism, as both a political symbol and a body of thought, has evolved into something I can no longer support. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/magazine/neo.html?pagewanted=all