[lit-ideas] Re: Frodo failed,

  • From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:13:37 -0000

I wonder whether the Star Wars script writers did their allegorising (?) 
consciously or unconsciously. Consider:

1. The Dark Lord creates a false enemy and through this starts a war.

2. He attains democratic power under false pretenses.

3. He actively supports the fight against the false enemy.

4. He turns against the democratic system and manipulates its demise using 
emergency powers made necesarry by the war.

5. He sees through the destruction of the false enemy thereby ending the war.

6. He creates an empire.


Try watching the later films with this model in mind. Intruiging.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx 
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:29 PM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Frodo failed,


  Yeah, but I never believed Tolkein about that one.

  Nice line from Star Wars!  I wonder if Bush thought it was original?

  Julie Krueger

  ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Frodo failed, 
        Date: 1/17/2007 11:26:24 A.M. Central Standard Time 
        From: sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent on:     

  If you'd done your research, you'd know that Tolkein expressly denied that 
  Lord of the Rings was in any way allegorical. So there can't be any 
  similarities can there!

  No, far closer are the three latter Star Wars films with the Sith Lord 
  infiltrating the democratic republic and turning it into an Empire.

  "If you're not with me, you're my enemy."
  "Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes. I will do what I must."

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "John McCreery" <john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx>
  To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:06 AM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Frodo failed,


  > Nah, Bush isn't smart enough to be Sauron. He just stumbled onto the
  > ring and it's ruined him.
  >
  > John
  >
  > On 1/17/07, JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx <JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx> wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> Cheney is Saruman .....Get your cheat sheet straight....
  >> ========Original Message========
  >> Subj:[lit-ideas] Re: Frodo failed,
  >> Date:1/16/2007 7:51:51 P.M. Central Standard Time
  >> From:john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx
  >> To:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  >> Sent on:
  >>
  >> Bush is Gollum?
  >>
  >> John
  >>
  >> On 1/17/07, JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx <JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx> wrote:
  >> >
  >> >
  >> > Bush has the ring
  >> >
  >> > I just spent 20 minutes giving my husband the Julie's shortcut to the
  >> Cliff
  >> > Notes version of Tolkien's series.
  >> >
  >> > Why did I marry someone who never read Tolkien.
  >> >
  >> > Don't answer that.
  >> >
  >> > Julie Krueger
  >>
  >>
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