>"He has also contributed by explaining self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy (first described in 1976)."> This bald statement is unsatisfactory, as Trivers' aim is not to tell a "just-so-story" about the adaptiveness of "self-deception" but to examine it in terms of both its adaptiveness and non-adaptiveness. (Read the book.) The pressing issue with "self-deception", from a Darwinian POV, is that it belongs with things like "altruism": where both "altruism" and "self-deception" would seem on the face of it non-adaptive in Darwinian terms, and so there is a problem in trying to explain them in Darwinian terms. In the case of "altruism" Darwinians have made tremendous advance in explaining apparent "altruism" in Darwinian terms [as Dawkins sets out well in "The Selfish Gene"], but with "self-deception" Trivers is entering relatively uncharted waters. In "Deceit", Triver's theme is to explain how "self-deception" could become a prevalent aspect of human psychology - which explanation must be in terms of it being to some extent adaptive; but also Trivers seeks to bring out how it is maladaptive. There is no contradiction in this: what may be "adaptive" for certain purposes may be "maladaptive" for others. Also against any one-sided emphasis on "adaptiveness":- there is the underlying question of evolution favouring a kind of 'equilibrium' between tendencies to "self-deception" and tendencies that go against "self-deception". We might expect to see striking assymetry in when "self-deception" is favoured: we might expect "self-deception" is to be selected against where it works against self-interest and to be selected for when it works for self-interest. The myriad challenges of life can render maladaptive what would often be adaptive: for example, a courteous manner with persons in authority might be part of an adaptive skill-set for humans in many situations. But, as Trivers analyses certain aeroplane disasters, he suggests that a deferential manner in an emergency - where the person in authority is on a course for disaster* - may itself be a manner that paves the way to disaster. It appears there have been many preventable air disasters that were not averted because of a deferential or polite attitude of the sort Walter might generally applaud (this explains why there are fewer accidents pro rata when a subordinate pilot is flying than when the head pilot is flying - because the head pilot will not hesitate to intervene to correct the subordinate's mistake in a way the subordinate may hesitate to challenge the head pilot [Trivers refers to some tragic recorded evidence of a subordinate, who went to his death with the head pilot and the rest of the plane, because he did not sufficiently challenge the head pilot on a lethal safety issue before take-off]). So we should never raise the issue of "adaptive" without looking also at the "maladaptive" side of the coin; whether a trait is "adaptive" or "maladaptive" is always relative to the situation in which it is displayed, and evolutionary selection pressures may select for "self-deception" to a degree [relative to certain situations] while also selecting against "self-deception" to a degree [relative to other situations]. Such is the complexity of life. It bowdlerises the Darwinian approach to offer it as if it is merely a one-sided "just so story" about the "adaptiveness" of everything. If this is all Darwinism had to offer it would not only be relatively uninteresting an approach but easily falsified - for it is easy to find "maladaptive" traits that have nevertheless endured. What a Darwinian approach offers is the possibility of a detailed explanation of the existence of traits in terms of both their relative "adaptiveness" and "maladaptiveness". That proves exciting. Dnl Ldn On Saturday, 15 March 2014, 15:02, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote: From the Wikipedia page on Trivers: "He has also contributed by explaining self-deception as an adaptive evolutionary strategy (first described in 1976)." But I don't think the reference is given. I should try and explore McEvoy's link, which was the amazon.com page, with a possibility to 'read inside'. Or not! Cheers, Speranza References Trivers, R. L. 1976. Grice, H. P. 1975. Method in philosophical psychology: from the banal to the bizarre. ---- on self-deception and evolutionary strategies. Or not. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html