Walter O. wrote: "A more general ethical and political question this issue raises is whether the liberal state has a right (obligation?) to prevent people from knowingly inflicting harm upon themselves. Is negative freedom really all that a liberal state should be guided by in legislating law? Or is the establishment and enforcement of conditions required for a virtuous, healthy and prosperous life also within the legitimate mandate of the state?" It seems to me that a functioning liberal democratic state requires 'the establishment and enforcement of conditions required for a virtuous, healthy and prosperous life', and so cannot only legislate negative freedoms. At a certain point, economic and social inequalities necessarily create political inequalities, which in turn undermine democratic practices. It is, therefore, in the interests of the liberal democratic state to establish a social safety net that, for example, provides for the unemployed and educates all citizens. Put differently, in order to establish the political conditions of citizens who are free and equal, the state may legislate positive rights. However, it seems to me that there is a difference between legislating rights that have as their purpose the establishment of the conditions for a well-functioning liberal democracy, and legislating rights that aim towards establishing the conditions for particular forms of a virtuous, healthy and prosperous life. Smoking may prove to be an unacceptable financial burden on providing universal healthcare, and taxed accordingly, but it would be illiberal to use the state as a means for getting people to stop smoking. Racism obviously undermines the liberal political principle of 'free and fair', but it would be illiberal to use the state as a means for producing acceptable beliefs. Laws regarding 'hate crimes' strike me as illiberal attempts to use the coercive powers of the state to punish people for holding particular beliefs, as opposed to the simple crimes they commit. Admittedly, high rates of tax on cigarettes and restrictions on racist speech in public forums have similar effects to punishing smokers and racists, but the goal of a liberal democracy should not be to stop people from smoking or holding racist beliefs. Rather, the goal ought to be one of establishing the conditions necessary for a virtuous, healthy and prosperous life, all the while keeping the details of such a life limited to what is minimally acceptable. So, my answers to Walter's list are for the liberal democratic state to tax gambling, alcohol, cigarettes and snack foods, provide medical services to anyone in need, including the obese and medically negligent, be proud that parents can opt out of educational programs that they consider objectionable, and avoid at all costs any talk of the state having rights concerning the minds and bodies of citizens. Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html