[lit-ideas] Re: Flotilla Qhoir: "We Con the World"
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:04:30 -0700
Mike,
Exceeding Lit-Ideas length-limit once again, I posted my response at
http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/06/flotilla-adventure.html
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Geary
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:29 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Flotilla Qhoir: "We Con the World"
Well you certainly should have been surprised, Lawrence, not only surprised,
but as much amused as I am by your post, given that I have no such sympathy,
nor did I write anything or have I ever written anything to suggest that I
feel sympathy for the Muslim Brotherhood. You make me nostalgic for the
late 50's to middle 60's when Commies roamed the halls of Congress,
infiltrated all the universities polluting the minds of our young with the
poison of Marxism, ran Hollywood propaganda machine, fluoridated our water
and contaminated our precious bodily fluids. Having a purely evil adversary
is both scary and uplifting. Come, Papiols, let's to moral clarity! I
have no life save when I have an enemy to fight.
I am fanatically opposed to fanaticism of any shape. I am my own worst
enemy. I despise Islamic fanaticism as well as Zionist fanaticism as well
as American fanaticism -- you get the picture, I'm sure. Is Hamas an
offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood? Could be. Don't know. Don't care.
They are the democratically elected leaders of Gaza Strip. The IDF is not,
nor the Knesset, nor Washington. If I were king of the world, I'd outlaw
Likud and Hamas, in fact, I'd kill just about everybody, but I'm not king,
so you'll just have to live and let live.
I have no desire to revisit the crimes of Israel vis-a-vis the crimes of the
Pals and other Arabs. All are at fault. I accuse Israel of being Third
Reichian, because like the Third Reich, Israel is pursuing a Labensraum
policy, a land grab inspired by fanatical Zionists who want to reclaim all
the "Holy Land" as the Jewish Homeland deeded to them by God. But the only
God I recognize is the UN who in 1948 established the State of Israel with
set borders. If you think Israel hasn't committed atrocities of the same
scope and scale as the Pals, I can only assume that you follow a very
different moral code than I do. If Israel wants peace over property, then
they must return to the pre-1967 borders, then all can talk. But I don't
think that's very likely to happen. There's no Rabin around to lead Israel
out of the jungle. That's why Iran feels it imperative to acquire nuclear
weapons. And why Saudi Arabia will, and Egypt and Syria, even Burma now
wants one.
Re: Noam Chomsky. I do have great admiration for the clarity of his thought
and his courage to tell the world to fuck off. But I'm no Noam. He's
about a 100 IQ points ahead of me. But I certainly share more of his values
than Cheney's.
Unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me that you would have no problem with
war in the Middle East. You may well get your wish very soon:
Report: Erdogan considering visiting Gaza to 'break blockade'
"Erdogan reportedly raised the idea in conversations with close associates
and even informed the United States of his intention to ask the Turkish Navy
to accompany another aid flotilla to Gaza. The Americans asked Erdogan to
delay his plans, in light of tensions on the region, the Lebanese report
said."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-erdogan-considering-vis
iting-gaza-to-break-blockade-1.294326
Mike Geary
Memphis
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mike,
On the other hand, I'm not surprised that you would feel sympathy for an
organization created by the Muslim Brotherhood, whom you may recall from my
earlier notes, utilized the philosophy of Sayyid Qutb. Indeed Sayyid Qutb
was the chief philosopher of the Muslim Brothers and all the spinoffs such
as Hamas. It is indeed ironic that you would accuse Israel of being "Third
Reichian" as it contests the aims of Hamas -- all Islamist organization
derive, philosophically, from the Fascistic ideas of Qutb.
Israel has been attacked a number of times by Qutb-inspired Arabs who sought
to complete the work of the German holocaust, that is, to obliterate the
Jews. But Israel was more resilient than the Arabs expected. One mustn't
forget that Arab sympathy, during World War II was largely for the Germans.
Not all "Third Reichians" who escaped Nuremberg fled to South America. Some
fled to congenial Arab nations like Egypt.
But if you share the views of those like Noam Chomsky who believes that the
"enemy of my nation is my friend," then you're going to sympathize with the
poor Qutb-inspired Islamists who have been thwarted in their desire to
destroy Israel in the past -- and dearly hope that the next time they band
together to try it, they'll succeed.
But getting Israel to return all the land they conquered from previous
attempts by banded-together-Arab nations is something the Arab nations have
been successful at. They need that land so they can creep as close as
possible to Israel the next time they attack. Of course those of us who
don't have their heads stuck up Chomsky's ass might not blame Israel if they
don't wait until they are attacked before taking action of their own. At
present the Arab world may be holding its collective breath hoping that Iran
will drop one of the bombs (that they have developed for peaceful use) on
Israel, and then hope that the wind will carry the radioactive debris out to
sea. They also hope that Israel won't have the guts to do anything about
Iran before then.
Has someone been "conned" who willfully supports the ideals of an Islamist
organization like Hamas? Maybe not.
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Mike Geary
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:26 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Flotilla Qhoir: "We Con the World"
I'm surprised, Lawrence, that you find this piece of sledgehammer propaganda
"funny." Satire should be made of subtler stuff - much subtler. But then,
so should Israel's policies with its Arab neighbors. However, since the
assassination of Rabin by a right-wing religious fanatic, Israeli policy
makers have become Third Reichian in their approach to the world. Just goes
to show you: "Those to whom evil is done, do evil in return." Most American
Jews are apparently as distressed as I am by Israel's militaristic, racist,
"fuck you, world" turn. Hopefully they can convince the U.S. government to
withdraw all aid to Israel until they stop their occupation, their
labensraum land grabs and recognize that God did not give them any right to
anything but their own life.
Mike Geary
Memphis
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&feature=player_embedded>
&feature=player_embedded#!
". . . it is [from] the Israeli TV Show Known as Latma TV, it's kind of like
Saturday Night Live, only funnier."
A blog reader sent me the Youtube production. It is pretty funny.
Lawrence
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