Well, how about make peace with Iran and solve the Palestinian thing. That would be huge steps forward. Iraq is dead in the water, and Iran can be a powerful ally in settling them down. From what I can tell, Iran seems to want to enter the 21st century. That's the motivation behind the desire for nuclear energy. At this point, we don't have a choice, and now Afghanistan is on the brink of going the way of Iraq. Of course we can always invade Iran and create thousands and tens of thousands more jihadists and suicide bombers. That's probably what they will do. Did you ever wonder, Lawrence, that there are no leftists among the neocons that put this fiasco together? Want to reconsider your opinion of leftists? And to think, for making such a mess, Wolfowitz was given a job running the IMF. Does that not amaze you? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/12/2006 8:14:08 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Five Years Ago Was I too nuanced for you? Don?t hold back; let?s hear ?What . . . the left consider[s] should be done in the 'War on Terror'?? Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Simon Ward Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:17 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Five Years Ago This'll be Lawrence giving the argument all the seriousness it deserves. I can take being ridiculed Lawrence. Can you? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:33 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Five Years Ago ?Biff,? take that. ?Zonk? ?oof? I?ve been discussing things as elaborately as the subject matter seems to deserve. ?kick,? ?take that you dirty conservative.? ?Bonk? ?ouch!? Well, yes, tis true. I?m not terribly impressed with the Left?s ability to reason. I may have let that drop now and again. They don?t seem able to develop an argument and support it very well. ?Oh yeah. Says who? Who do you think you are? You just think you are soooo tough. Former Marine, guns & stuff, makes me soooo sick!? As I indicated, I have read a number of people from the Left who apply full blame on the US for 9/11. Think Ward Churchill. ?You leave poor Ward alone. What did he ever do to you? You hate Indians don?t you, don?t you, go on admit it. Afraid to, aren?t you? Just as I thought: No guts.? Does the Left have something positive to offer about what should be done in the War against Terror? It sounds rather hard to believe. No fair assuming the destruction or the disbanding of the U.S. or the destruction of Israel. ?Think you?re soooo smart, don?t you? Well I?m here to tell you, you don?t know half of what you think you do, no not a quarter -- not even an eighth or a sixteenth -- not a thirty second or a sixty forth . . . not a gaa gaaa gaaaa [Duet sung by Lawrence, baritone, and Simon, tenor altino]