[lit-ideas] Re: Five Years Ago
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:16:40 -0700
No, I don't believe the Left wants to eliminate Liberal Democracy and
install Islamism. What I do believe is that by supporting Islamism and
opposing the US they are in effect pursuing just that.
Lawrence
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Lawrence, it was clear to me that when Mike said "root causes"
he meant "root causes".
LH>I notice that you abandon the fact that his phrase was ambiguous
LH>and rush to the assumptions I made about it. That is more
LH>interesting to you because you side with Mike.
I did move to the assumptions, yes. The difference between
the definition of root cause/s and what one thinks the
root cause/s of a phenomenon are seems to me obvious,
I was not interested in dwelling on it.
LH>You know exactly what he meant
I know what he meant by "root causes", I knew when he said
"causes" he did not mean "cause", yes.
LH>You then make some pronouncements and declare my
LH> reading of Mikes ambiguous phrase "cartoonish."
I quoted your comments about "Leftist" views you assume Mike
holds, called your comments "cartoonish", and tried to explain
why, on behalf of Marxists. My point was that Marxists do not
really hold the views you ascribe to them, let alone the Left as
a whole.
LH>The "party line" has always had significance in Leftist
LH>and Marxist circles.
In Communist Party circles, Lawrence, and in Democratic
Centralist groupings. (I think you base too much on the US
Party, apparently one of the most Stalinist in the world: I think
your view of "Leftists" stems from that.)
(sorry but really your notion that people here or on the US left
want to drop liberal democracy and install Islamis is just too
silly to debate, I won't bother)
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