* Green, the Oxford philosopher who popularised the Boojum-philosophy of Hegel in Oxford. (Gardner, The Annotated Snark) The Neo-Hegelians From Across the Street In a message dated 7/12/2009 10:09:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, karltrogge@xxxxxxxx writes: Look up the entry "truth, falsity and correctness". Try to reconcile what is said there with ANY of what you have written above. --- I love Hegel. He is _so_ Oxford. Of course Grice was educated in the non-Hegelian tradition (J. Cook Wilson) but most of the good philosophers of the late 19th century in Oxford -- that Grice calls 'minor figures' -- Bosanquet, Bradley, McTaggart -- were Hegelians. As Inwood notes, Hegel was confused about 'wahr' and its antonym. Instead of 'falsch', Hegel preferred the noun, 'irrtum' which really translates as 'error'. Inwood notes, "Rather than say that his opponent holds 'false' views, Hegel would say that he is mistaken." Grice hated that. On one occason, he recalls, N. Wilson (the philosopher) approached Grice -- vis a vis a minutiae in the analysis of 'meaning': 'intended effect as 'perlocuionary'. "You do confuse 'perlocution' with 'illocution'" "Look, young man. I may be MISTAKEN -- but I'm certainly NOT confused." So, we do need an innocent notion of 'falsehood' that Hegel (not speaking the Classicals) denied. But my schema holds p ~p ~~p Only for Hegelians and neo-Hegelians ~~p does not reduce as it does to Grice (and most sensible human beings) to p. Inwood writes: "Hegel does accept, though, that something can be true ONLY if it's not self-contradictory". Exactly. For ~ is contradiction, contradictory (rather than contrary) negation -- although I find the '-dictory' bit otiose. So we have "p", and its contradiction, "~p". And we contradict the contradiction and while for most reasonable human beings we get the "p" that we started with, for Hegel you raise up towards the Kingdom of Prussia with the ~~p -- an otiose step in any philosophy worth her name. Cheers, J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585090x1201462820/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html