Germany was/is IN (as in was a member of) the Western Civilization, and we fought a WORLD WAR against them. Therefore, what does "Clash of Civilizations" mean? Does he refine the term to mean clash *within* civilizations, sort of like a little domestic violence, just a few tens of millions dead, no big deal, as opposed to ... ??? I neither approve nor disapprove of his terms. I just think he's bandying around words that are meaningless, and the words are being repeated as though by repetition they'll become more meaningful. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 3/1/2006 11:49:36 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: WTO and War Those writing about the decline and fall of civilizations, historians, sociologists, and anthropologists have developed terminology suitable to their tasks. Huntington uses the most widely accepted classification of civilizations in his thesis. Germany, of course, is in the Western Civilization. I?m sure Huntington, and the other historians, sociologists and anthropologists will be devastated to learn that you don?t approve of their terminology. Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy Amago Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:30 AM To: lit-ideas Subject: [lit-ideas] FW: Re: WTO and War Lawrence, what civilization would you put the Germans in (WWII)? Clashes of civilizations is an oxymoron. Clashes of barbarians is more to the point. Clashes of barbarians is definitely ongoing. It's known as history. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 3/1/2006 12:51:41 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: WTO and War the arguments of Samuel P. Huntington who argues against Fukuyama and thinks we shall have ongoing clashes of civilization.