[lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
- From: "Stan Spiegel" <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:36:46 -0500
It must be nice to brag about yourself and pretend it's someone else doing
it. Even (or especially) when there's no basis for it. Why, Irene, you're
still swaggering like a guy!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 12/12/2005 9:14:11 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> >
> > AA: "Regarding Irene being "troubled", in case you haven't noticed,
> Irene's
> > level of insight into motivations and underlying intentions is pretty
> > astute."
> >
> > If you don't say so yourself!
> >
> >
>
>
> I do say so myself. If anyone wants to talk about it, that's fine with me
> (remember phil lit?). In the meantime, I burned it out, so I'm less
> interested in it.
>
>
> Irene
>
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:43 AM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> >
> >
> > > Hang on to your bra, babe. Andy's not at all impressed with your
venom.
> > > If you didn't like his jokes, that's fine. One can't please all the
> > people
> > > all the time, nor does one want to or intend to. Especially those who
> > > can't be pleased. Go back to those who share your opinions and be
> happy.
> > > Regarding Irene being "troubled", in case you haven't noticed, Irene's
> > > level of insight into motivations and underlying intentions is pretty
> > > astute. She's been successfully married forever to a man who's crazy
> > about
> > > her and is gainfully employed. Being Andy was fun, being Irene is
less
> > > fun. Real life people are as boring as the day is long (I'll bet you
> and
> > > everybody else yuk it up all day long). If I were to kid around like
> this
> > > on my day job I'd either be fired or given more work to do. Likewise,
> if
> > I
> > > were so successful at being a man, if that's what you think I want to
> be,
> > I
> > > would never have been caught. And if I enjoyed being a man, if that's
> > what
> > > you think I enjoyed being, it's because I was an androgynous man, on
> > > electronic paper, with all the same convictions I always have. Just a
> > > different style of presentation. And I even have a Pooh fleece shirt,
> > > pink, but I've never read the books. If I did, I might even find
> patterns
> > > or other cultural elements in them, but I don't read Pooh books.
> Thanks,
> > > Teemu, for your support, and fie on thee, Carol. And don't forget to
> > reset
> > > that block.
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Carol Kirschenbaum <carolkir@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: 12/12/2005 12:03:19 AM
> > > > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Iremago
> > > >
> > > > Imerago wrote:
> > > > > Irene is so boring.
> > > >
> > > > ck: I read this confessional discussion in one lump, having been
> > > preoccupied
> > > > with term papers and xmas commerce for the week. A number of times
> > > Imerago
> > > > voices her delight in Andy, and how she enjoyed "being" him. The old
> > > Irene
> > > > assumes that we all shared her overall positive opinion of Andy.
> > > >
> > > > Not I. Andy's myriad ignorant, belligerant, and downright asinine
> posts
> > > > caused me to block him from my e-mail within a few weeks of his
> > > appearance
> > > > on this list. As Judy commented, there was no arguing with "Andy."
> More,
> > > no
> > > > discussion allowed. Andy's obnoxiousness seemed quite traditionally
> male
> > > (in
> > > > the bad sense) to me--that is, unsubstantiated rhetorical assertions
> > > phrased
> > > > and presented as fact. Andy responded to queries as if they were
> > attacks,
> > > > which often ended whatever discussion might have been. My reaction
to
> > him
> > > > codified into rolling eyeballs and gritted teeth--all expressions I
> > > exercise
> > > > aplenty in the real world, and so have no desire to hone in
> cyberspace.
> > > >
> > > > But Animago's male rhetoric, as a character (or Irene's female
> rhetoric,
> > > as
> > > > another character) may be worth more than a glance--the possibility
of
> > > > pathology aside, that is. Irene qua Irene, in her confession,
resorted
> > to
> > > > typically female writing patterns, such as softening her statements
> with
> > > a
> > > > batch of qualifiers of the could be, perhaps, in my opinion vein.
> (Even
> > > > Adolf Eichmann might have seemed human if a woman, writing
> > traditionally,
> > > > had translated his utterances.) When Andy took hold of the keyboard,
> > > idiocy
> > > > ensued more often than not.
> > > >
> > > > Witness Andy's recent response to his ignorance of an allusion to
> > Eeyore.
> > > > Faced with a topic about which he knew nothing, Andy derided that
> topic
> > > as
> > > > unimportant, and even implied derision towards the list for knowing
> > about
> > > > this character. We on this list are not culturally literate, implies
> the
> > > > pugnacious ignoramus called Andy that Irene loves being; rather,
we're
> > > all
> > > > Pooh lovers. What's to say to that nasty swipe?
> > > >
> > > > Irene seems to have a certain facility in creating character and
> > > dialogue.
> > > > Unfortunately, she created an obnoxious character in Andy, though
> > > > consistently so. Why limit this facility to a mere internet listserv
> > when
> > > > others, worldwide, could be exposed to The Amazing Amago's Fearful
> > > Wisdom?
> > > > Go forth, Amagoo!
> > > >
> > > > Andy's dubious existence is just one more bad joke on his part. It's
> sad
> > > > that Irene enjoys being him, but it's even sadder that this list
> allowed
> > > a
> > > > jerk like Andy to completely dominate it, drowning others' posts in
> > > pounds
> > > > of half-assed and insulting slasher verbiage.
> > > >
> > > > For the record, I oppose people creating false identities on
> listservs.
> > > We
> > > > have enough trouble trying to be genuine nowadays. But my
expectations
> > of
> > > > Iremago were and are low indeed.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Carol K.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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