[lit-ideas] FW: Re: Aaaaaargh

  • From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:29:23 -0400

why better red
> than dead?  

Why better dead than red.  Answer, obviously, is we love ideology, among a
lot of other things, including money and power, a lot more than we love
life.  And that's not even counting what we do to animals, who we don't
even count as being alive, apart from pet dogs and cats, the ones that
don't wind up in the pound.  Sorry to rain on your parade of platitudes,
but I don't create reality.  I just comment on it.  



>
> Best defense is an offense.  I am making comments on what I see in the
> world.  Answer the questions.  Why is the 30th birthday greeted with black
> balloons?  Why is it an honor to die for one's country?  Why better red
> than dead?  Why did those sophisticated white Europeans slaughter each
> other by the many tens of millions, twice, if humanity loves life so
much? 
> Why did we invade Iraq?  Why do we propound torture?  My misery or its
lack
> created none of these situations.  If the best response you can give is an
> overt personal attack without anything beyond happy talk, then I take that
> as your tacit agreement with my position.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Mike Geary <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 9/27/2006 10:56:29 PM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aaaaaargh
> >
> > But, Andy, I don't understand.  If you're so miserable, why don't you
> kill 
> > yourself?
> >
> >
> > Mike Geary
> > Life is not what you make of it,
> > life is how you partake of it.
> > Celebrate.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "lit-ideas" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:07 PM
> > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aaaaaargh
> >
> >
> > >> [Original Message]
> > >> From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Date: 9/27/2006 7:27:34 PM
> > >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aaaaaargh
> > >>
> > >> Andy: If, against all the evidence, you think society
> > >> celebrates life, then that's what you think.  I'm just
> > >> curious, why do you think  there is crime, etc. in the
> > >> world?  Intelligent Design?  Malignant Design?  Bad choices?
> > >>    Not enough torture?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> My point is that society, any society, but particularly
> > >> American society, is more varied and rich than any idea we
> > >> can have about it. Sure there's the mercantile stuff and all
> > >> the other shenanigans of this or any Gilded Age. There's
> > >> also life being celebrated.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Makes one wonder why the Axis of Evil and why the right wing was so
> adrift
> > > after the fall of the Soviet Union, with no enemy to pursue.  If life
> is 
> > > so
> > > celebrated, why are we so hung up on youth?  Perhaps you'd like to 
> > > rephrase
> > > your statement that a third to a half of life is celebrated?  The
black
> > > balloons start with the 30th birthday.  What do black balloons
> celebrate?
> > > Life is theoretically celebrated.  We all love life, until our actions
> and
> > > words demonstrate that we really don't.  There are always exceptions
of
> > > course, if that's what you want to cite.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Go to a public park. Sit on a bench for 45 minutes and watch
> > >> the people. Bet you catch some celebrations of life. Catch
> > >> 'em in the act you will.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind of reminds me of all the discussions about the futility of the
Iraq
> > > invasion and the Pollyanna assertions that everything was fine, when
> it's
> > > finally official that everything is not fine.  The bottom line is,
> humans
> > > are unconsciously driven.  To assert otherwise makes no sense, unless
> one
> > > is religious or doesn't believe in the unconscious for some reason. 
> But,
> > > in these New Middle Ages, every backwards thing is possible and is
> > > happening.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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