I think the alarmists are more worried about trends. Here are some two-year-old reports that probably indicate the sort of thing they are worried about: http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/dossiers/allochtonen/publicaties/artikel en/archief/2004/2004-1432-wm.htm http://www.cbs.nl/en-GB/menu/themas/dossiers/allochtonen/publicaties/artikel en/archief/2004/2004-1543-wm.htm All this while Dutch birthrates decline. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Judith Evans Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:11 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Europe's future, catastrophic or apocalyptic LH>According to Daisy Sindelar a recently Dutch government study predicted that not only would >Amsterdam and Rotterdam soon have Muslim majorities but also The Hague and Utrecht. I have 1.8 million as the population of Amsterdam and 700,000 for all Muslims in the Netherlands, and this: >As of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005> 2005, 35% of the Amsterdam population feels connected to >a religion or philosophy of life. 19% identify themselves as Christian > ( <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic> Catholic 9%, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed> Dutch Reformed 3%, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran> Lutheran 2%, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed> Reformed 1%); >11% of the population identify themselves as <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim> Muslim. A further 2% is > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu> Hindu, with another 2% being <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist> Buddhist and 1% being <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish> Jewish. Judy Evans, Cardiff